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Singapore to Stop Adding Cars in February 2018

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Re: Singapore to Stop Adding Cars in February 2018

#11

I never really understood why governments insist on restricting vehicles and not access to roads. It seems like the scarce resource is efficient road access, not space for cars (even in sg, where there's not a whole lot of that either).

I'm guessing that adding one extra check to the bureaucratic process of registering a car is way, way cheaper than enforcing road access to a metropolis.

Re: Singapore to Stop Adding Cars in February 2018

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post #11

I never really understood why governments insist on restricting vehicles and not access to roads. It seems like the scarce resource is efficient road access, not space for cars (even in sg, where there's not a whole lot of that either).

I'm guessing that adding one extra check to the bureaucratic process of registering a car is way, way cheaper than enforcing road access to a metropolis.

Idunno, just have ingress and egress scanners around the hot zones. ingress detected -> start accounting for higher rate, egress detected -> start accounting for lower rate.

Driving a vehicle outside the legal parameters (i.e. without paying the access fee) will carry classic Singaporean sentencing rules.

Re: Singapore to Stop Adding Cars in February 2018

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm guessing that adding one extra check to the bureaucratic process of registering a car is way, way cheaper than enforcing road access to a metropolis.

Idunno, just have ingress and egress scanners around the hot zones. ingress detected -> start accounting for higher rate, egress detected -> start accounting for lower rate. Driving a vehicle outside the legal parameters (i.e. without paying the access fee) will carry classic Singaporean sentencing rules.

Are you suggesting a system like London's congestion charge?

https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/congestion-charge

Re: Singapore to Stop Adding Cars in February 2018

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post #5

I think that many asian cities have the right approach here. Treat cars as a luxury good in a space-challenged context and tax them heavily, while making sure to provide a world class public transport system so as to guarantee no-one actually needs a car. While it doesn't have a COE, tokyo does basically the same thing. You will have to pay $50k upfront for a 10-year car permit in singapore. In Tokyo there's no upfro…

> a luxury for the rich

Parents of children under 12 should also be given a pass.

(Unless outsourcing the population is a deliberate tactic, of course.)

Re: Singapore to Stop Adding Cars in February 2018

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Lee Kuan Yew actually thought, almost a decade ago, that he didn't go far enough:

“I knew that once people in Singapore could have a car, they’d never give it up. So, before it got out of control, I said you need a Certificate Of Entitlement before a car is yours; and the permitted up-tick in number of cars depends on what the road capacity is. That was the first move. So, you bid for it. If you issue more entitlement certificates than is prudent, roads are jammed. Then a younger generation took over and says, well, why not have more cars and we charge them by the usage on the roads instead of just purchase? I told them, okay, okay, have a car, have more cars! But once you’ve got a car, you will never give it up.” [...]

“I was moved on policy-thinking about transit by psychology. They are moved by maximizing road space. Okay, then you would antagonize more motorists. I would rather have less cars and get everybody to use the public transport, but a younger generation thinks this is the way to go and you are in charge, then go for more cars.”

I remember being in LA in the 2000s, and not renting a car (the innocence of growing up in Europe...). I sampled the buses that took 1.5 hours to go from Beverly Hills to Downtown. I paid $200 for a return cab ride from Santa Monica to Hollywood at rush hour.

In comparison, if the MRT has a 30 minute delay in Singapore it is national news [2].

[1] Tom Plate, Conversations with Lee Kuan Yew - https://www.amazon.com/Conversations-Lee-Kuan-Yew-Singapore/...

[2] http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/commuters-hi...

Re: Singapore to Stop Adding Cars in February 2018

#17

I never really understood why governments insist on restricting vehicles and not access to roads. It seems like the scarce resource is efficient road access, not space for cars (even in sg, where there's not a whole lot of that either).

Which is why Singapore plans to roll out GPS-based road pricing from 2020.

http://roadpricing.blogspot.com.au/2016/03/singapore-will-ha...

Re: Singapore to Stop Adding Cars in February 2018

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post #16

Lee Kuan Yew actually thought, almost a decade ago, that he didn't go far enough: “I knew that once people in Singapore could have a car, they’d never give it up. So, before it got out of control, I said you need a Certificate Of Entitlement before a car is yours; and the permitted up-tick in number of cars depends on what the road capacity is. That was the first move. So, you bid for it. If you issue more entitlemen…

Random anecdote: I commute by MRT. I guess my average wait time is around three to max five minutes on the platform.

I'm used to public transportation from Germany, but SG's transportation is so much better and very affordable on top. Cabs, Grab and (no clue, never used it myself) Uber are cheap when you need an alternative. I had a car for most of my life in Germany, don't miss it a single bit in SG.

Re: Singapore to Stop Adding Cars in February 2018

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post #5

I think that many asian cities have the right approach here. Treat cars as a luxury good in a space-challenged context and tax them heavily, while making sure to provide a world class public transport system so as to guarantee no-one actually needs a car. While it doesn't have a COE, tokyo does basically the same thing. You will have to pay $50k upfront for a 10-year car permit in singapore. In Tokyo there's no upfro…

> a luxury for the rich Parents of children under 12 should also be given a pass. (Unless outsourcing the population is a deliberate tactic, of course.)

Why is it necessary to have car if you have kids? It's quite possible to get around with kids, if the city is built for it.

Re: Singapore to Stop Adding Cars in February 2018

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Idunno, just have ingress and egress scanners around the hot zones. ingress detected -> start accounting for higher rate, egress detected -> start accounting for lower rate. Driving a vehicle outside the legal parameters (i.e. without paying the access fee) will carry classic Singaporean sentencing rules.

Are you suggesting a system like London's congestion charge? https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/congestion-charge

Yeah, something similar in implementation. It actually seems like they already have systems like this in place, but they still only charge for access during congestion in specific zones. My suggestion is a bit different in that you would also be charged for non-congestion running time, outside of congestion zones.
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