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Venezuela’s Behind on Its Debt and Facing Two Huge Bond Payments

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Re: Venezuela’s Behind on Its Debt and Facing Two Huge Bond Payments

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Scary times ahead for Venezuela. It's too bad it will be the average person paying the price for the corrupt few.

The "average person" is guilty of voting the communist government. Corruption is just the normal result of communism/socialism.

As two notable countries of significant interest to HN readers recently proved, frustrated voters are easily led astray by populist demagogues with big promises and low tolerances for truth-telling.

Re: Venezuela’s Behind on Its Debt and Facing Two Huge Bond Payments

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On August 25, 2017, US President Donald Trump issued an executive order limiting the government of Venezuela's ability to access certain types of international financing. This would certainly curtail the governments ability to ease the pressure of bond payments.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/08/25/exec...

when you cant sell assets, you cant repay a bond. PDVSA, the nationalized oil asset of the state of Venezuela, is now legally prohibited from dealing with US markets.

While this all seems to be a reasonable response to the Maduro leadership issues in the country, one becomes immediately suspicious of the US intent in latin america when Vice President Pence cites the motivation as 'ensuring democracy.' the sentiment has about a 40 year grim history in the region as it applies to US foreign policy.

Re: Venezuela’s Behind on Its Debt and Facing Two Huge Bond Payments

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If you run sovereign debt in a currency you don't control, you become a colony, not a country. Venezuela private firms should all be run through administration to wipe out the creditors and re-floated with Bolivar investment.

Nobody wants BSF. Plus the government does shenanigans with the exchange rate, with the official exchange rate having no relationship to reality. If you refloat debt in a different valueless currency that you control the exchange rate on, you're de facto defaulting - nobody wants your currency. They want hard currency. Re: currency you don't control, do you consider Ecuador a colony? They have debt in the sucre, whic…

You should ask some Greeks if they feel they are in a colony like position with respect to Brussels/Germany. Controlling your own money is a key factor to maintaining sovereignty. Goldbugs take this to a level where they desire personal sovereignty and thus a money not controlled by the government (gold or silver).

Re: Venezuela’s Behind on Its Debt and Facing Two Huge Bond Payments

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "average person" is guilty of voting the communist government. Corruption is just the normal result of communism/socialism.

As two notable countries of significant interest to HN readers recently proved, frustrated voters are easily led astray by populist demagogues with big promises and low tolerances for truth-telling.

That doesn’t make the manipulated voters any less guilty.

Re: Venezuela’s Behind on Its Debt and Facing Two Huge Bond Payments

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's never a completely true statement. It is much nearer false for Venezuela, where the last free elections filled their Congress with the opposition, and where people are literally fighting their government on the streets.

There was local elections a week ago and the government won majority.

Yeah, but the givernment controls the institution that runs those elections... it’s a completely frigged system. So you statement is moot.

Re: Venezuela’s Behind on Its Debt and Facing Two Huge Bond Payments

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "average person" is guilty of voting the communist government. Corruption is just the normal result of communism/socialism.

I’m just wondering... in which governing scheme is corruption not the default? I can’t think of any in use today by a country or large organization where it’s not there in one way or another. The only solution, I think, is to have an extremely low tolerance for corruption (and incompetence because that’s often what corruption is disguised as) such that anybody in power would be too scared to do corrupt shit because t…

The answer is not in policing corruption, since everyone is subject to corruption (no population is free of bad apples), but in preventing corruption. If there is not much power to be had by those seeking election, then the people "in power" are not worth influencing. Note: not anarchy and not anti-regulation; just a little slightly anti-lots of government power. EDIT: But this is the right idea.

Re: Venezuela’s Behind on Its Debt and Facing Two Huge Bond Payments

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post #12

On August 25, 2017, US President Donald Trump issued an executive order limiting the government of Venezuela's ability to access certain types of international financing. This would certainly curtail the governments ability to ease the pressure of bond payments. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/08/25/exec... when you cant sell assets, you cant repay a bond. PDVSA, the nationalized oil asset of the st…

> one becomes immediately suspicious of the US intent in latin america

These restrictions are forcing an inevitable outcome sooner. Venezuela's debt load is unsustainable for reasons entirely of Chavez and Maduro's doing (as well as the people who elected them in elections that were, until fairly recently, fair and free [1]).

Suspicion is good. Using baseless suspicion to deflect attention from a well-based problem is not.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Venezuela#Voting_...

Re: Venezuela’s Behind on Its Debt and Facing Two Huge Bond Payments

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's never a completely true statement. It is much nearer false for Venezuela, where the last free elections filled their Congress with the opposition, and where people are literally fighting their government on the streets.

There was local elections a week ago and the government won majority.

Notice I said "the last free election". It is prone to a no true Scotchmen fallacy, but when the police start to violently stop people from voting you can be sure an election wasn't free anymore.

Re: Venezuela’s Behind on Its Debt and Facing Two Huge Bond Payments

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post #10
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "average person" is guilty of voting the communist government. Corruption is just the normal result of communism/socialism.

I’m just wondering... in which governing scheme is corruption not the default? I can’t think of any in use today by a country or large organization where it’s not there in one way or another. The only solution, I think, is to have an extremely low tolerance for corruption (and incompetence because that’s often what corruption is disguised as) such that anybody in power would be too scared to do corrupt shit because t…

A government is a monopoly by definition. And in a monopoly, competence is useless - being replaced by corruption (just a different skill). But the more areas the government is involved, the more corruption it spreads. And in socialism the government does it all: production, jobs, education, health care, etc.
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