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A Test of Police Body Cameras Defies Expectations

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Re: A Test of Police Body Cameras Defies Expectations

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Personally I think police could not only solve their storage problem, but also create a revenue stream and public good will: by simply storing the video on a public service like YouTube. It also increases transparency though, which is probably why it will never happen.

Today my officers spent hours talking to a victim of rape, looking after her children and dealing with the aftermath.

I'm sure she'd love that on YouTube for all to see.

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post #8

Personally I think police could not only solve their storage problem, but also create a revenue stream and public good will: by simply storing the video on a public service like YouTube. It also increases transparency though, which is probably why it will never happen.

There will be footage recorded by those cameras that will drastically impinge on the privacy of civilians should it be shared publicly. It's a nice idea, but I think it has some pretty significant potential for downsides.

I find this idea very toxic. If the state can send an agent somewhere, then that place and the goings-on that were witnessed are a matter of public record.

If that isn't so, and isn't sacred, then we're saying that secrecy in policing is normal, and that goes against hundreds of years of progress in the common-law tradition.

In order for people to enjoy the kind of privacy you discuss, we need to have non-state support services that are completely disconnected from the matter of enforcement of th e law.

Re: A Test of Police Body Cameras Defies Expectations

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Somehow I'm not surprised. Incidents are now caught on camera and spread around the news & social media. Yet, in a large portion of the cases where the cops are clearly in the wrong they get a slap on the wrist if that.

There is no real incentive to change their behavior camera or not.

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post #3

It probably shouldn't be that big of a surprise. Police officers are almost entirely decent people that shouldn't feel the need to change their behavior just because they're being recorded. Regular citizens would already be on their best behavior around cops, the camera doesn't change much. I think people get a skewed perception of the police force from a relatively small number of highly publicized incidents. Counte…

Surprised to see this downvoted - it was my initial thought as well. If most cops are decent and doing what they think is right, then that wouldn't change just because they're wearing bodycams.

That said, I still think bodycams are a great idea. I hadn't heard justification of them based on improving some aggregate statistics before. Instead, I've always thought they were good for those particularly difficult "he said / she said" cases that capture public attention.

Re: A Test of Police Body Cameras Defies Expectations

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Personally I think police could not only solve their storage problem, but also create a revenue stream and public good will: by simply storing the video on a public service like YouTube. It also increases transparency though, which is probably why it will never happen.

Yikes! Maybe this is legal, in the same sense that I can go to the bodega and buy a newspaper of local mugshots... but how unfortunate for the people who have the worst 15 minutes of their life faithfully captured and posted on Youtube.

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post #11

Personally I think police could not only solve their storage problem, but also create a revenue stream and public good will: by simply storing the video on a public service like YouTube. It also increases transparency though, which is probably why it will never happen.

Today my officers spent hours talking to a victim of rape, looking after her children and dealing with the aftermath. I'm sure she'd love that on YouTube for all to see.

I don't think this is a compelling argument.

What is the connection between enforcement of statutory code and medical aid / emergency response? Why do these social services need to be delivered by LEOs?

At my college, one of the best things my student government did was first response in cases of rape and sexual assault. We had a phone number that people were able to call and get a response from a peer who had been trained in the next steps of response, allowing the victim to gain composure and support before dealing with the law enforcement apparatus.

We had a similar service for cases of mental health / psychedelic emergency.

There is no reason that law enforcement need to be first responders in cases of medical emergency.

Unless we're talking about walking back the Peelian principles (and arguably all that is good about western notions of liberty), it is a continuing imperative to ensure that police officers can strictly enforce the law and do so in full public view.

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Personally I think police could not only solve their storage problem, but also create a revenue stream and public good will: by simply storing the video on a public service like YouTube. It also increases transparency though, which is probably why it will never happen.

Or maybe on a dedicated reality cable TV channel? Cops 24/7. I'll never be able to get that bad boys song out of my head. Surely there would still be a lot of curation.

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post #3

It probably shouldn't be that big of a surprise. Police officers are almost entirely decent people that shouldn't feel the need to change their behavior just because they're being recorded. Regular citizens would already be on their best behavior around cops, the camera doesn't change much. I think people get a skewed perception of the police force from a relatively small number of highly publicized incidents. Counte…

This explains too much, since there have been other depts that did see a likely effect (like Rialto). I found this part more compelling:

> Finally, cameras may have had less impact in Washington, D.C., because the police department there has already had to confront excessive-force problems. After a devastating 1998 Washington Post series revealed that the city’s police department had shot and killed more people per resident in the 1990s than any other police force in a large American city, the Department of Justice entered into a memorandum of agreement with D.C. to reform its policing.

I do think people overstate the extent to which police violence in the US is a problem of evil cops committing wanton abuse as opposed to deeper systemic issues, but I think it's possible that bodycams end up being a useful piece of that puzzle.

Re: A Test of Police Body Cameras Defies Expectations

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post #3

It probably shouldn't be that big of a surprise. Police officers are almost entirely decent people that shouldn't feel the need to change their behavior just because they're being recorded. Regular citizens would already be on their best behavior around cops, the camera doesn't change much. I think people get a skewed perception of the police force from a relatively small number of highly publicized incidents. Counte…

> Police officers are almost entirely decent people

should perhaps be

> Police officers are almost entirely almost decent people

The fact that the "few" (so we're told) bad apples aren't rooted out by their fellow honest, law-abiding officers suggests they're not as squeaky clean as some might think.

Re: A Test of Police Body Cameras Defies Expectations

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post #3

It probably shouldn't be that big of a surprise. Police officers are almost entirely decent people that shouldn't feel the need to change their behavior just because they're being recorded. Regular citizens would already be on their best behavior around cops, the camera doesn't change much. I think people get a skewed perception of the police force from a relatively small number of highly publicized incidents. Counte…

I assumed the point of body cameras was simply for physical evidence after an incident, that cops might "behave" better due to some psychological effect doesn't strike me as important.
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