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Bootstrap 4 Beta 2

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Re: Bootstrap 4 Beta 2

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I know I am going to be downvoted so hard, but really it's very easy to build you own css these days, css frameworks look an easy solution for beginning your project but they become a burden gradually as your project grows

Honest question: why? Why would you roll your own buttons, headers, footers, modals, panels, grid system, and alerts, which all respond responsively, when you could just take a framework off the shelf and start being productive immediately?

Re: Bootstrap 4 Beta 2

#12

I've been using the Bootstrap 4 beta for a couple weeks building a side project ( https://nanagram.co ) and I must say, it's been great to use. The built in utilities for responsive views and spacing are especially useful. Made optimizing the homepage for multiple screen sizes super fast and not painful at all. The Beta 1 had pretty good documentation and seemed pretty mature as well. Looking forward to upgrading to…

Love the idea! Does this ship internationally? Some FAQ/ToS/etc would be good.

Re: Bootstrap 4 Beta 2

#13
post #4

I know I am going to be downvoted so hard, but really it's very easy to build you own css these days, css frameworks look an easy solution for beginning your project but they become a burden gradually as your project grows

For the projects Bootstrap was designed for, the choice isn't between Bootstrap and a professionally designed custom theme; the choice is between Bootstrap and a white background with all text in Times New Roman 16 pt.

Re: Bootstrap 4 Beta 2

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post #12

I've been using the Bootstrap 4 beta for a couple weeks building a side project ( https://nanagram.co ) and I must say, it's been great to use. The built in utilities for responsive views and spacing are especially useful. Made optimizing the homepage for multiple screen sizes super fast and not painful at all. The Beta 1 had pretty good documentation and seemed pretty mature as well. Looking forward to upgrading to…

Love the idea! Does this ship internationally? Some FAQ/ToS/etc would be good.

Thanks! And good point on the FAQs + TOS. Will add them to the to-do list.

We're beta testing the app right now with friends & family and have made our first few deliveries already. The response has been great so far from people's grandparents. They love getting the prints in the mail with the captions to tell the story of the photo on them.

We're going to be exploring international shipping soon. What country does the person you want to send photos to live in?

[edit - spelling]

Re: Bootstrap 4 Beta 2

#15
post #4

I know I am going to be downvoted so hard, but really it's very easy to build you own css these days, css frameworks look an easy solution for beginning your project but they become a burden gradually as your project grows

Honest question: why? Why would you roll your own buttons, headers, footers, modals, panels, grid system, and alerts, which all respond responsively, when you could just take a framework off the shelf and start being productive immediately?

It depends on what you're doing. Kitchen-sink frameworks like Bootstrap are great for building tools that don't require a lot of customization of the UI, generally things like internal tools.

But for user-facing stuff, designers and PMs want to tweak everything about the interface, and by the time you're done, you've rewritten most of the CSS and you actually spent more effort doing so than had you just written the CSS yourself the first time.

Also, the way you wrote it ends up being a frankenstein-esque collection of style overrides. Zurb foundation is notorious for requiring hyper-specific CSS rules to override their default styles.

Bootstrap has made some progress towards making it more tweakable, but if you're maintaining/customizing an app long-term, you're better off writing your own css for the most part.

Edit: to add to that, the biggest problem that bootstrap solves IMO is a standard grid system, of which there are now many, more composable grid systems to choose from. Grid systems are so basic that its probably fine to pull one from the shelf, but with flexbox its really not that hard to write your own anyway.

Re: Bootstrap 4 Beta 2

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post #5
post #4

I know I am going to be downvoted so hard, but really it's very easy to build you own css these days, css frameworks look an easy solution for beginning your project but they become a burden gradually as your project grows

It depends if it's a project that is going to grow. For so many things Bootstrap does so much for so little effort. I use it any time I need to spin something up quickly, prototype an idea, put an internal page together. Bootstrap is a tool for making a page where you don't care how it looks look good.

It also depends on how the project is going to grow. If I'm the only lead dev on a team that's only going to see a revolving door of junior devs and interns, it's much easier for me to point to Bootstrap's documentation page and say "just copy the example from here" than it would be to get junior devs quickly up to speed on any custom CSS framework. There's even a chance a junior dev is already going to be familiar with Bootstrap from a previous project.

Re: Bootstrap 4 Beta 2

#17
post #12

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Love the idea! Does this ship internationally? Some FAQ/ToS/etc would be good.

Thanks! And good point on the FAQs + TOS. Will add them to the to-do list. We're beta testing the app right now with friends & family and have made our first few deliveries already. The response has been great so far from people's grandparents. They love getting the prints in the mail with the captions to tell the story of the photo on them. We're going to be exploring international shipping soon. What country does t…

Germany.

Something like this also needs the ability to delay shipments - old people are more likely to be admitted to hospitals or similar.

Re: Bootstrap 4 Beta 2

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I've been using the Bootstrap 4 beta for a couple weeks building a side project ( https://nanagram.co ) and I must say, it's been great to use. The built in utilities for responsive views and spacing are especially useful. Made optimizing the homepage for multiple screen sizes super fast and not painful at all. The Beta 1 had pretty good documentation and seemed pretty mature as well. Looking forward to upgrading to…

I signed up for your service. Do you have any competitors in this space? I thought the experience overall was very simple. Are you thinking about adding options for the prints? For example, glossy v. matte or 4x6 v 5x7?

Edit: I see you replied to someone else and I cannot tell if the service is actually live (as in my card is going to be charged and photos are going to ship).

Re: Bootstrap 4 Beta 2

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post #4

I know I am going to be downvoted so hard, but really it's very easy to build you own css these days, css frameworks look an easy solution for beginning your project but they become a burden gradually as your project grows

I'm not a graphics designer, and have no eye.

If I'm making a content-website (where the "killer app" is the content and not presentation) I use bootstrap - its definitely cheaper than a web designer.

Re: Bootstrap 4 Beta 2

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post #4

I know I am going to be downvoted so hard, but really it's very easy to build you own css these days, css frameworks look an easy solution for beginning your project but they become a burden gradually as your project grows

For the projects Bootstrap was designed for, the choice isn't between Bootstrap and a professionally designed custom theme; the choice is between Bootstrap and a white background with all text in Times New Roman 16 pt.

I wonder why people don't get this. It's not like you're doing a Fortune 500 company's website with Bootstrap.
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