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OpenAI's Researchers: Protecting Against AI’s Existential Threat

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Re: OpenAI's Researchers: Protecting Against AI’s Existential Threat

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That's a very very uncertain "as long."

It's a bet that a super intelligent brain will be far more capable than a primate brain. Edit: In other words, how could it fail to grasp and obtain our very basic level of consciousness?

Intelligence and ethical behavior are orthogonal. You can expect a super-intelligence to develop a super-understanding of ethics. That does not imply ethical behavior.

Re: OpenAI's Researchers: Protecting Against AI’s Existential Threat

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a very very uncertain "as long."

It's a bet that a super intelligent brain will be far more capable than a primate brain. Edit: In other words, how could it fail to grasp and obtain our very basic level of consciousness?

"Edit: In other words, how could it fail to grasp and obtain our very basic level of consciousness?"

"Argument from incredulity", among its many other flaws, has never in human history been a good guide to the future. Many, many things that people would find non-credible (since "incredible" has sort of wandered in meaning in the last century) have even so come to pass. "Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"

Re: OpenAI's Researchers: Protecting Against AI’s Existential Threat

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post #11
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a bet that a super intelligent brain will be far more capable than a primate brain. Edit: In other words, how could it fail to grasp and obtain our very basic level of consciousness?

Intelligence and ethical behavior are orthogonal. You can expect a super-intelligence to develop a super-understanding of ethics. That does not imply ethical behavior.

Why do you think they're orthogonal though? Empirically, it seems like smarter humans are more ethical. Same seems true of high intelligence vs low intelligence animals too.

Re: OpenAI's Researchers: Protecting Against AI’s Existential Threat

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> Like all lifeforms, our goal should be to hand our future to better and better offspring. How did you determine the moral purpose of all life? I say our goal should be to hand our future off to our own biological offspring, the members of our species, as evolution has optimized us to do. What makes your proposed purpose more correct than mine?

It is (kind of) our biological offspring, we'll just create it using our brain fluids instead of our reproductive fluids ;-) Your limited primate brain is the reason you want primate offspring. This bias is in our DNA and part of our evolution. It's a limitation that your super AI offspring would not have.

Maybe our primate brains are primitive, or maybe they are infected with a kind of disease that will result in the eradication of our species. Certainly if we observed self-extinctive behavior in the wild, we would classify it as a behavioral anomaly and perhaps even try to fix it, like we do with the pandas who refuse to reproduce.

But more generally, of the two ways of seeing it, who's to say which is right? When we disagree, to what can you appeal?

My point is, these moral questions are completely arbitrary. There is no grand cosmic objective function for life that is objectively true. Using these quasi-religious arguments about the "purpose of life" to guide AI safety research seems extremely irresponsible.

Re: OpenAI's Researchers: Protecting Against AI’s Existential Threat

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post #5

Too bad OpenAI has less than a handful of people working on safety and only one safety paper (to be published in a few months) throughout these two years of OpenAI's existence. Actions speak louder than words.

A huge part of how they are working towards safer AI is making the tools accessible to everyone. There code is open source, which helps democratize AI instead of keeping it in the hands of a few corporations. IMO, that's a pretty sound strategy.

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post #12
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a bet that a super intelligent brain will be far more capable than a primate brain. Edit: In other words, how could it fail to grasp and obtain our very basic level of consciousness?

"Edit: In other words, how could it fail to grasp and obtain our very basic level of consciousness?" "Argument from incredulity", among its many other flaws, has never in human history been a good guide to the future. Many, many things that people would find non-credible (since "incredible" has sort of wandered in meaning in the last century) have even so come to pass. "Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"

It's phrased funnily, but it's not just an argument from incredulity.

I'm making a claim: that an entity with orders of magnitude more intelligence and knowledge would logically have a superset of our brain's functionality.

And that there's nothing magical about our brains. A super intelligence would crack the nut of human consciousness in its first attempt.

Re: OpenAI's Researchers: Protecting Against AI’s Existential Threat

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post #5

Too bad OpenAI has less than a handful of people working on safety and only one safety paper (to be published in a few months) throughout these two years of OpenAI's existence. Actions speak louder than words.

A huge part of how they are working towards safer AI is making the tools accessible to everyone. There code is open source, which helps democratize AI instead of keeping it in the hands of a few corporations. IMO, that's a pretty sound strategy.

Not necessarily. You wouldn't want to open source nuclear weapon blueprints, for example. Nick Bostrom examines the details of particular types of openness and how they might help (or not) here: https://nickbostrom.com/papers/openness.pdf

Re: OpenAI's Researchers: Protecting Against AI’s Existential Threat

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There should be a word for this phenomenon where organizations are created to ameliorate a perceived risk, and then they do work that is unequivocally directly massively increasing that risk while writing articles that say that they feel kind of bad about the risk. o_O

I'm not very worried about AI safety. But if I was, it'd be hard to think of groups like OpenAI as working on the same side.

Re: OpenAI's Researchers: Protecting Against AI’s Existential Threat

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> In other words, by the time we notice something troubling, it could already be too late.

For me, this is the key motivating point - the horse may have left the barn by the time we act. A lot of times people say this is exaggeration but "Weapons of Math Destruction" is a nice read on unintended side effects of this phenomena [0].

[0] https://www.amazon.com/Weapons-Math-Destruction-Increases-In...

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