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The Acceleration of Addictiveness

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Re: The Acceleration of Addictiveness

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Just like PG's last article, there is an inherent irony in finding this on Hacker News.

PG is right though, the internet is addictive. The question of what to do about it is still left open, though. For now, I'm going to disconnect for a few hours. Hopefully when I get back on I'll have something productive to show for it.

Re: The Acceleration of Addictiveness

#12
I agree with the main thrust of this essay, but there are nuances & counter-examples that make me more optimistic: For example, a nuance: More people are giving up television, magazines & newspapers than ever before - perhaps we (as humans) have a finite need of/tolerance for distractions, and are satisfying this need/reaching this tolerance more efficiently via the internet now? A counter-example (on the increase in 'hardness' of society's addictions): The Finns (and others) originally did not have practical access to alcohol, so they took locally available hallucinogens (and saw santa!). Then vodka, and later beer became affordable, so they now largely drink these instead - ie. the move is not inevitably one-way (see also various temperance movements). Also Hogarth chronicled Britain's descent into gin excess, but although this seemed overwhelming and permanent at the time, it was relatively brief.

In short: humans have always adapted better than predicted to change - so far.

Re: The Acceleration of Addictiveness

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Didn't quite get the Paleo diet reference: are you viewing it as a new (and thus suspicious) fad or as an old, safe and proven way of eating?

This confused me as well, seeing how it's both at the same time. :) With regards to the diet itself though: works for me, so I'm happy with it.

I happen to follow a rather different, mostly vegan, diet: Fuhrman. It also works very well for me.

But I would like to educate myself about paleo, especially since it provides some compelling arguments while sounding yummy.

Re: The Acceleration of Addictiveness

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Didn't quite get the Paleo diet reference: are you viewing it as a new (and thus suspicious) fad or as an old, safe and proven way of eating?

Agreed. I've been trying to go towards a more whole food approach to eating and avoiding processed foods.

But what is PG's opinion here?

Re: The Acceleration of Addictiveness

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The link to the Paleolithic diet made me think that one strategy against increasing addition is to normalize for evolutionary time. Still requires a lot of learned, subjective insight. But basically, anything that has proved itself via evolution is more sturdy and is worth congregating around (these include immediate things that affect the body, but also the evolution of societies, etc.). Bravo on another great essay…

"(these include immediate things that affect the body, but also the evolution of societies, etc.)"

This is really much of the appeal of Christianity, and other forms of culture that have survived some test of time. I say this in response to pg's foot note:

"Unless we mass produce social customs. I suspect the recent resurgence of evangelical Christianity in the US is partly a reaction to drugs."

Not just drugs, but all the different things pg cites as addictive. Plugging in to older value systems is one way of putting a brake on those impulses. This, of course, is true of many other religious and cultural systems that have stood the test of time, not just Christianity.

I am also struck by how successful families and subcultures often have strong mechanisms in place to stigmatize these addictive impulses. Modelling self control and discipline has a lot to do with how success and prosperity is transferred across generations. By itself, accumulated cash will dissipate very quickly if the necessary character traits are not transferred along with it.

Re: The Acceleration of Addictiveness

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The easiest thing I've found to get over the internet addiction is to have a critical amount of shit that is more mentally engaging around. I have a bunch of MIT lectures on my iPhone, and I have several highly interesting books around. I know those are usually more valuable to me than the blog du jour, so if I feel that I've spent too much time on reddit or whatever I just pick up the book, or go back to watching an algorithms course for awhile. Eventually the mind gets quieter and its easier to focus more on the task at hand. Also, use the internet for actions, rather than consumption. If you haven't produced at least one blog post or comment for every ten you've read, go comment somewhere or write a blog post. Produce based on what you consume, otherwise you're just piling up mental debt.

Re: The Acceleration of Addictiveness

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If one has to abstain from society's norms to live appropriately, then I imagine it'll be increasingly difficult to make a living for one that abstains, at least in any area based on technological change. E.g., Paul would have a harder time conducting an effective business (or even perhaps being as well informed as an investor) involved with iPhone Apps. Not to say one must make a living on the technological fringes (that become the societal norms), however, such a course is limiting for the abstainer, for better or worse.

Re: The Acceleration of Addictiveness

#18
You can probably take it as a rule of thumb from now on that if people don't think you're weird, you're living badly.

i've been surprised by just how true this statement is. i resolved to make some lifestyle changes this year to be healthier (without being overly zealous) and it's been amazing how reactions have made me feel like i'm behaving strangely. especially regarding alcohol at social events.

Re: The Acceleration of Addictiveness

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I worry we may be heading for a future in which only a few people plot their own itinerary through no-land, while everyone else books a package tour. That's been the case for the majority of human history. It's mostly the case now. Most non-religious, progressive thinking people, don't actually think through most issues for themselves. They believe in institutions - academia, NPR, etc. Most people believe what they d…

I'm not sure whether you're particularly referring to media bias and dumbed-down science journalism, which is certainly an issue, but the general practice of 'trusting an expert' seems sound to me - the effort required to become an expert yourself in every field that affects you would be incredible, whilst trusting someone else who has that expert knowledge to translate into layman's terms for you is more efficient.

This is essentially just society optimizing itself through specification - just have 1 person become the nutrition expert and do all the tests and experimentation, and then they can share that knowledge with the rest. Whilst the nutritionist is busy, that leaves others free to invent fusion power and quantum computing.

Re: The Acceleration of Addictiveness

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post #12

I agree with the main thrust of this essay, but there are nuances & counter-examples that make me more optimistic: For example, a nuance: More people are giving up television, magazines & newspapers than ever before - perhaps we (as humans) have a finite need of/tolerance for distractions, and are satisfying this need/reaching this tolerance more efficiently via the internet now? A counter-example (on the increase in…

"More people are giving up television, magazines & newspapers than ever before"

In many of the discussions about people giving up "TV," it turned out that many just turned off their cable and consumed video through Hulu, Netflix and other online sources.

So, put another way, do you think even people who have given up TV, etc. have, on average, actually reduced their total amount of time consuming content of one form or another, when Facebook and everything else on the Internet is included?

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