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Training crows to pick up cigarette butts for food

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Re: Training crows to pick up cigarette butts for food

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Also http://www.thecrowbox.com/ were they apparently trained captive crows to pickup coins in return for food, there's also a TED talk the guy behind it gave. I've briefly looked at the 'Crowded Cities' page, I'm still not sure how the crows realise they get food though for cigarette butts? Does it rely on them randomly dropping something in the pot, and then getting food and continuing to do it?

I think this is where the part "tells other crows about it" line might come in. Perhaps they're hoping it works that way and they just train a few crows? This does seeem like a pretty important training point though.

Re: Training crows to pick up cigarette butts for food

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Back in college I did a paper on if this was ethical or not for my bioethics class, I warn people to really take a step back from the positive possibilities with something like this and understand that these are wild animals being trained to become slaves to benefit our human failings and appetites.

I would definitely draw a line between this kind of domestication and the domestication of animals by our ancestors for our own survival. This is trash created by humans, and the human responsible should be the asshole who picks it up. At that point, we're the ones that should be domesticated, not crows.

Re: Training crows to pick up cigarette butts for food

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Back in college I did a paper on if this was ethical or not for my bioethics class, I warn people to really take a step back from the positive possibilities with something like this and understand that these are wild animals being trained to become slaves to benefit our human failings and appetites. I would definitely draw a line between this kind of domestication and the domestication of animals by our ancestors for…

The crows aren't punished for not exhibiting this behavior. Positive reinforcement training is distinctively different than negative reinforcement training. Slavery is the latter

Re: Training crows to pick up cigarette butts for food

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This may also train smokers who do throw away their butts to instead think it's ok to throw them anywhere.

Yeah... the callousness of smokers and their littering is unacceptable. I understand that throwing your cigarette in the trash can be a fire hazard sometimes, but put the cigarette out and throw it out. Some smokers just seem to love flicking that still-burning cigarette into the road like it's no big deal.
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