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Re: NYC offering to pay homeless a year’s worth of rent if they leave town

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Post by bschwindHN »

ideonexus wrote: post #4

I've been thinking we should have a Federal program that helps people in small towns relocate into urban areas or suburban areas at the outskirts of cities. I think letting sparsely populated rural areas depopulate would save us billions on infrastructure since it costs far more per person to run and maintain miles of road out to nowhere rather than short roads to apartments, townhouses, and neighborhoods. As a city…

You know, your food is probably produced in these rural areas and you need infrastructure to transport that food. I don't think your "solution" is so simple and straightforward as you make it seem.

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Post by wildmusings »

ideonexus wrote: post #4

I've been thinking we should have a Federal program that helps people in small towns relocate into urban areas or suburban areas at the outskirts of cities. I think letting sparsely populated rural areas depopulate would save us billions on infrastructure since it costs far more per person to run and maintain miles of road out to nowhere rather than short roads to apartments, townhouses, and neighborhoods. As a city…

Yes, let's replace dignified rural living with the squalor of urban poverty. Only then can everyone become subject to city planners' and progressives' social engineering schemes.

Re: NYC offering to pay homeless a year’s worth of rent if they leave town

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Post by R_haterade »

ideonexus wrote: post #4

I've been thinking we should have a Federal program that helps people in small towns relocate into urban areas or suburban areas at the outskirts of cities. I think letting sparsely populated rural areas depopulate would save us billions on infrastructure since it costs far more per person to run and maintain miles of road out to nowhere rather than short roads to apartments, townhouses, and neighborhoods. As a city…

This ranks right up there with the most bigoted things I've ever read.

Re: NYC offering to pay homeless a year’s worth of rent if they leave town

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Post by R_haterade »

bschwindHN wrote: post #11
ideonexus wrote: post #4

I've been thinking we should have a Federal program that helps people in small towns relocate into urban areas or suburban areas at the outskirts of cities. I think letting sparsely populated rural areas depopulate would save us billions on infrastructure since it costs far more per person to run and maintain miles of road out to nowhere rather than short roads to apartments, townhouses, and neighborhoods. As a city…

You know, your food is probably produced in these rural areas and you need infrastructure to transport that food. I don't think your "solution" is so simple and straightforward as you make it seem.

he proposed concentrating people into cities. Sounds a lot like a final solution to me.

For real though that would be a situation where people were like lambs to the slaughter. People that close together are much easier to control, and that's not a good thing.

Re: NYC offering to pay homeless a year’s worth of rent if they leave town

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Post by gok »

ideonexus wrote: post #4

I've been thinking we should have a Federal program that helps people in small towns relocate into urban areas or suburban areas at the outskirts of cities. I think letting sparsely populated rural areas depopulate would save us billions on infrastructure since it costs far more per person to run and maintain miles of road out to nowhere rather than short roads to apartments, townhouses, and neighborhoods. As a city…

Ok so rather than spread poor people out, let’s put them all in cheap high density housing with low infrastructure costs. This is precisely the logic that lead to the housing project catastrophes.

As for the characterization of rural and suburban areas as some kind of federal infrastructure spending black hole, that’s not an accurate representation of the United States. Only a quarter of all infrastructure spending comes from the federal government, and only about half of that goes to highways, most of that is for interstates which help us city dwellers get free shipping from Amazon, not “roads to nowhere”.

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Post by icebraining »

tylerhou wrote: post #10
ideonexus wrote: post #4

I've been thinking we should have a Federal program that helps people in small towns relocate into urban areas or suburban areas at the outskirts of cities. I think letting sparsely populated rural areas depopulate would save us billions on infrastructure since it costs far more per person to run and maintain miles of road out to nowhere rather than short roads to apartments, townhouses, and neighborhoods. As a city…

>subsidizing rural America to the tune of trillions of dollars I'm not sure where you're getting that number from. Here's a federal budget breakdown for FY2016 [1]: Non-discretionary spending: Social Security: $910 billion Medicare: $588 billion Medicaid: $368 billion Other: $563 billion Interest payments: $241 billion Discretionary spending: Defense: $584 billion Non-defense: $600 billion Spending on Medicare, Medic…

Parent never said "per year".

Re: NYC offering to pay homeless a year’s worth of rent if they leave town

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Post by ideonexus »

tylerhou wrote: post #10
ideonexus wrote: post #4

I've been thinking we should have a Federal program that helps people in small towns relocate into urban areas or suburban areas at the outskirts of cities. I think letting sparsely populated rural areas depopulate would save us billions on infrastructure since it costs far more per person to run and maintain miles of road out to nowhere rather than short roads to apartments, townhouses, and neighborhoods. As a city…

>subsidizing rural America to the tune of trillions of dollars I'm not sure where you're getting that number from. Here's a federal budget breakdown for FY2016 [1]: Non-discretionary spending: Social Security: $910 billion Medicare: $588 billion Medicaid: $368 billion Other: $563 billion Interest payments: $241 billion Discretionary spending: Defense: $584 billion Non-defense: $600 billion Spending on Medicare, Medic…

The problem is that you can't look up those stats. They don't exist. I'm not talking about Federal Budget alone or roads alone. I'm talking about Federal Taxes, State Taxes, and Local Taxes as they apply to roads, electric lines, sewage, bridges, community centers, and the myriad other projects that go into supporting a healthy community.

There is a well established flow of taxes from urban areas to rural areas. We frame it as a progressive flow of taxes from high-income to low-income, but much of that low-income is tied to geography. I think the reaction to my post reinforces this. Comments in support of NY's export of low-income citizens out of the city have been up-voted. But, as I predicted, observing that rural Americans are consuming more public services than they pay for has drawn outrage. It's easy to call homeless people a problem, but people get angry when you point out how reliant they are on the government for their rural lifestyle.

Re: NYC offering to pay homeless a year’s worth of rent if they leave town

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Post by ideonexus »

R_haterade wrote: post #15
bschwindHN wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know, your food is probably produced in these rural areas and you need infrastructure to transport that food. I don't think your "solution" is so simple and straightforward as you make it seem.

he proposed concentrating people into cities. Sounds a lot like a final solution to me. For real though that would be a situation where people were like lambs to the slaughter. People that close together are much easier to control, and that's not a good thing.

Actually, if I were proposing a "final solution," I would simply advocate that urban areas simply stop paying Federal and State taxes. Without government subsidization, rural areas unable to financially support themselves would vanish very quickly.

But I'm not advocating that. I'm suggesting we provide support to dying communities to voluntarily relocate to where the jobs are. Communities that are doing fine would obviously forego such an option.

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