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Automotive Grade Linux Platform Debuts on the 2018 Toyota Camry

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Re: Automotive Grade Linux Platform Debuts on the 2018 Toyota Camry

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Can someone explain to me, honestly, why I would want an 'entertainmaint' system built into my car? I do long commutes, I drive a lot, I am an occasional truck driver, I have crossed Australia east to west more than once - and I still don't get it. My car is the one place in the world where I stand a decent chance of escaping the all-pervading goddamn film and music industry.

And for me, my car is almost the only place I listen to music.

However, I have never crossed Australia, in either direction.

Re: Automotive Grade Linux Platform Debuts on the 2018 Toyota Camry

#13
Checked the software stack, it's basically: Yocto(OS framework) + Tizen(application framework) + Genivi(infotainment). Yocto is totally over-engineered and only RTOS vendors really enjoy it as they can sell services on top of that, it's a nightmare for small players, they should just use Buildroot the alternative to save money and time. Tizen has never reached what it wanted to be, partially because of Android. Genivi has been around for a few years but I have yet to see it took any market share on the infotainment side, many infotainment systems are just using Android instead as well.

Actually because Camry is using this stack, my next car will certainly not be it. How am I going to upgrade the kernel with patches every few weeks?

Re: Automotive Grade Linux Platform Debuts on the 2018 Toyota Camry

#14

I've been a loyal toyota buyer for over 30 years. But I will not buy another car, unless it has first class CarPlay support. (and it should support the android equivalent as well) Having to interact with the phone while driving is a safety problem and Apple (and presumably android too) delivered a great solution several years ago-- no excuse for not implementing it. Especially given that auto makers really suck at th…

Almost flippant based on the issue with the car mount, I have a 2013 Infiniti g37x, and where the gps/ touch screen is they have a circular dial. If I put my phone over the built in screen, the dial holds it in place perfectly. Better then any mount I’ve owned. Funny how that works out.

(I’m agreeing that car mounts suck, and car play is amazing in the cars I’ve been in that have it )

Re: Automotive Grade Linux Platform Debuts on the 2018 Toyota Camry

#15

Can someone explain to me, honestly, why I would want an 'entertainmaint' system built into my car? I do long commutes, I drive a lot, I am an occasional truck driver, I have crossed Australia east to west more than once - and I still don't get it. My car is the one place in the world where I stand a decent chance of escaping the all-pervading goddamn film and music industry.

> My car is the one place in the world where I stand a decent chance of escaping the all-pervading goddamn film and music industry.

That's a very odd way of putting it. You do realise that music is not just a marketing platform, but also a very common form of entertainment and medium for artistic expression, right?

I'm not sure if you're saying that you don't listen to music at all while you're driving, but if you are, I think you have a very uncommon experience. When I ride in other people's cars, there is almost always music playing, either from a phone connected over bluetooth, a stack of CDs in a CD changer, or just a music radio station. Driving in silence is so uncommon that I'd consider it strange. When I am driving my own car, I often use my long Australian commute as an opportunity to listen to a full album.

Given that people do listen to music in cars, and that against better advice, they often fiddle with their non-built-in music playback devices while the car is in motion, an in-car entertainment system with a proper interface goes a long way to prevent distracted driving.

Re: Automotive Grade Linux Platform Debuts on the 2018 Toyota Camry

#16

Can someone explain to me, honestly, why I would want an 'entertainmaint' system built into my car? I do long commutes, I drive a lot, I am an occasional truck driver, I have crossed Australia east to west more than once - and I still don't get it. My car is the one place in the world where I stand a decent chance of escaping the all-pervading goddamn film and music industry.

For me, I want a good sound system and that's it. No screens, no touch controls, no bluetooth, no internet. Knobs, switches, and analog gauges please.

Sadly pretty much no longer available in a new car. So I'll probably never buy another one.

Re: Automotive Grade Linux Platform Debuts on the 2018 Toyota Camry

#17

I've been a loyal toyota buyer for over 30 years. But I will not buy another car, unless it has first class CarPlay support. (and it should support the android equivalent as well) Having to interact with the phone while driving is a safety problem and Apple (and presumably android too) delivered a great solution several years ago-- no excuse for not implementing it. Especially given that auto makers really suck at th…

I agree, my family has a long history of buying Toyotas. I really, really dislike their usage of entune at the expense of just integrating CarPlay + Android Auto. This is an issue that also will cause me to shop non-Toyota.

Re: Automotive Grade Linux Platform Debuts on the 2018 Toyota Camry

#18

Can someone explain to me, honestly, why I would want an 'entertainmaint' system built into my car? I do long commutes, I drive a lot, I am an occasional truck driver, I have crossed Australia east to west more than once - and I still don't get it. My car is the one place in the world where I stand a decent chance of escaping the all-pervading goddamn film and music industry.

I get it. I drive silent often myself when I am alone.

Re: Automotive Grade Linux Platform Debuts on the 2018 Toyota Camry

#19
Automotive makers like FCA is still sticking with QNX and Harman made headunits hardware for many years. Having programmed on them, it was a pain with so many constraints while we have watches 100x more powerful than them. While the UI/UX and performance of headunit telematics apps are not the forte of automotive manufacturers, they need to change with times. Headunits are still marketed as an add-on with which the manufacturers can up the price by several thousands. While too much of an entertainment system on a car is a distraction even though they have speed lockouts, a little bit of improvement will be a welcome change. Its not that they should have APIs for CAN Bus access, but can piggy back on CarPlay for a good music & nav system.

Re: Automotive Grade Linux Platform Debuts on the 2018 Toyota Camry

#20

Can someone explain to me, honestly, why I would want an 'entertainmaint' system built into my car? I do long commutes, I drive a lot, I am an occasional truck driver, I have crossed Australia east to west more than once - and I still don't get it. My car is the one place in the world where I stand a decent chance of escaping the all-pervading goddamn film and music industry.

Podcasts? Audiobooks? I've had some really great experiences on long drives listening to thought-provoking non-fiction audiobooks. Recommend it highly. (Of course a pair of headphones and your device of choice can probably do just as well if not better.)
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