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Re: Openstack: Open source cloud computing software

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Post by bretpiatt »

dotBen wrote: post #10

I'm sad RackSpace chose to market this effort under the term "Open Stack". A number of us in the open web community have used that term to a great extent to talk about OpenID + OAuth + Portable Contacts + Open Social ( http://therealmccrea.com/2008/09/19/joseph-smarr-at-web-20-o... ) Admittedly the initiative has lost momentum (for many reasons and factors) but things are still out there. This just creates confusion…

I'm sorry, we didn't think the two communities would cause confusion. Almost everything you can name something these days will cause a "name collision" of sort. The infrastructure and application folks are pretty separated and so are the concepts so hopefully the context in which it is used will make it clear. Detail wise, the OpenID + OAuth... is "Open Stack" and this should be used only as "OpenStack".

Re: Openstack: Open source cloud computing software

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Post by russell_h »

jacquesm wrote: post #3

What a great move by rackspace. That's very impressive, they're essentially risking enabling their competition by doing this and still they've done it. This actually will allow the development of 'micro clouds', a thing I wrote about a while back because I don't like the centralization issues of clouds for a number of reasons and use cases. http://jacquesmattheij.com/node/37 Getting rid of vendor lock-in is also fant…

You should also check out Ganeti: http://code.google.com/p/ganeti

Its basically a tool for managing virtualization clusters, with a ton of nice features: live migrations, redundant storage over DRBD, support for KVM and Xen (I think support for a few other virtuualization/containerization systems is in the works too), scriptable deployments and an HTTP API. It is, as I understand it, used internally at Google (they developed it) for a few things, and judging by the mailing lists there are a number of other good sized deployments around as well.

In a few hours you can set up your own internal "cloud" with Ganeti, and its fairly easy to scale later as the need arises. Bring a new node online, get on the Ganeti master node and tell it the hostname and root password, and Ganeti will SSH in and take care of most of the setup for you.

Re: Openstack: Open source cloud computing software

#15

Post by nphase »

bretpiatt wrote: post #11
dotBen wrote: post #10

I'm sad RackSpace chose to market this effort under the term "Open Stack". A number of us in the open web community have used that term to a great extent to talk about OpenID + OAuth + Portable Contacts + Open Social ( http://therealmccrea.com/2008/09/19/joseph-smarr-at-web-20-o... ) Admittedly the initiative has lost momentum (for many reasons and factors) but things are still out there. This just creates confusion…

I'm sorry, we didn't think the two communities would cause confusion. Almost everything you can name something these days will cause a "name collision" of sort. The infrastructure and application folks are pretty separated and so are the concepts so hopefully the context in which it is used will make it clear. Detail wise, the OpenID + OAuth... is "Open Stack" and this should be used only as "OpenStack".

For some reason your distinction of OpenStack vs Open Stack reminds me of the attempted trademarking of a smiley face by describing it as two dots and a half circle contained by a larger circle.

Re: Openstack: Open source cloud computing software

#16

Post by dotBen »

bretpiatt wrote: post #11
dotBen wrote: post #10

I'm sad RackSpace chose to market this effort under the term "Open Stack". A number of us in the open web community have used that term to a great extent to talk about OpenID + OAuth + Portable Contacts + Open Social ( http://therealmccrea.com/2008/09/19/joseph-smarr-at-web-20-o... ) Admittedly the initiative has lost momentum (for many reasons and factors) but things are still out there. This just creates confusion…

I'm sorry, we didn't think the two communities would cause confusion. Almost everything you can name something these days will cause a "name collision" of sort. The infrastructure and application folks are pretty separated and so are the concepts so hopefully the context in which it is used will make it clear. Detail wise, the OpenID + OAuth... is "Open Stack" and this should be used only as "OpenStack".

Hey Bret, I hear what you are saying. Yes, the infrastructure and application communities are separate. Yes OpenStack != "Open Stack".

But the wider communities; the customer communities and the developer communities are going to be in that overlap between both infrastructure and application.

And we both know that once your brand goes through 'the wash' of the media it's going to be munged into "Open Stack" as much as "OpenStack".

Sure everything has some kind of name collision but that's just indicates why more deeper investigation is required to ensure such collisions occur between two very different usages. It is disappointing in this instance that didn't occur.

(I'm guessing/assuming you are a RS employee...) you also haven't touched on the concern that RS is asserting a TradeMark on "OpenStack" which brings some concern into the existing publicity for the Open Stack concept.

Re: Openstack: Open source cloud computing software

#17

Post by notmyname »

sushi wrote: post #12

Okay I don't know much about Cloud Computing but can anyone tell how is going to help someone like me who has one or two blogs with some web hosting company. Or should someone like me even care?

Because the hope is that openstack will do for cloud hosting what Apache did for single-server hosting. And now you can install it locally on your own laptop or on a cluster of your own or pay someone else to host it.

Re: Openstack: Open source cloud computing software

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Post by notmyname »

I'm a developer on swift (OpenStack storage == Rackspace Cloud Files). We've been pretty excited about opening this, and I'd love to answer any questions you have.

Swift documentation is at http://swift.openstack.org. Check out the "SAIO - Swift All In One" page to see how to set up a VM to run it. With some very small tweaks, you can also run it on a single slice (mount a loopback device rather than another virtual drive).

Although I don't know as much about it, the compute docs are at http://nova.openstack.org

Re: Openstack: Open source cloud computing software

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Re: Openstack: Open source cloud computing software

#20

Post by jamesbritt »

sushi wrote: post #12

Okay I don't know much about Cloud Computing but can anyone tell how is going to help someone like me who has one or two blogs with some web hosting company. Or should someone like me even care?

Here's a possible advantage: you have your site, some php code, mysql, apache, a ton of data, maybe more stuff on disk. Your hosting service jacks its prices, or announces it's shutting down.

Right now, to move to a new host, you need to handle a number doable but annoying steps. Imagine tho that you could just download "The Site". Web server, blog app, database, everything. Including the OS. All as one (albeit large) file.

And then just upload it to a new host, where it Just Works. No reconfig because you're on a newer os or have to use a dfferent version of mysql. All of that is bundled up for you.

This is what virtualization (i.e. cloud computing) can buy you. And an open standard for infrastructure can make it easier to move your virtual system to other hosts.

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