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Re: Zed Shaw on C++

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Post by btmorex »

kqr2 wrote: post #4

There appear to be a lot of good rants against C++. To name a few: * Linus Torvalds : http://lwn.net/Articles/249460/ * C++ Frequently Questioned Answers : http://yosefk.com/c++fqa/ Are there any good passionate pro C++ versus C arguments?

The best pro C++ argument is that for all its flaws there's nothing out there that completely replaces it and it's still widely used.

My own view: I'm not in love with C++, but it's not nearly as bad as everyone makes it out to be. Most of the arguments I hear against C++ are the same tired things I've heard hundreds of times. They all have a grain of truth, but nothing so bad as to condemn the language.

Re: Zed Shaw on C++

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Post by weilawei »

btmorex wrote: post #11
kqr2 wrote: post #4

There appear to be a lot of good rants against C++. To name a few: * Linus Torvalds : http://lwn.net/Articles/249460/ * C++ Frequently Questioned Answers : http://yosefk.com/c++fqa/ Are there any good passionate pro C++ versus C arguments?

The best pro C++ argument is that for all its flaws there's nothing out there that completely replaces it and it's still widely used. My own view: I'm not in love with C++, but it's not nearly as bad as everyone makes it out to be. Most of the arguments I hear against C++ are the same tired things I've heard hundreds of times. They all have a grain of truth, but nothing so bad as to condemn the language.

It's not that any one thing is bad. It's that lots of things are bad.

Re: Zed Shaw on C++

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Post by [deleted] »

btmorex wrote: post #11
kqr2 wrote: post #4

There appear to be a lot of good rants against C++. To name a few: * Linus Torvalds : http://lwn.net/Articles/249460/ * C++ Frequently Questioned Answers : http://yosefk.com/c++fqa/ Are there any good passionate pro C++ versus C arguments?

The best pro C++ argument is that for all its flaws there's nothing out there that completely replaces it and it's still widely used. My own view: I'm not in love with C++, but it's not nearly as bad as everyone makes it out to be. Most of the arguments I hear against C++ are the same tired things I've heard hundreds of times. They all have a grain of truth, but nothing so bad as to condemn the language.

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Re: Zed Shaw on C++

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Post by timr »

kqr2 wrote: post #4

There appear to be a lot of good rants against C++. To name a few: * Linus Torvalds : http://lwn.net/Articles/249460/ * C++ Frequently Questioned Answers : http://yosefk.com/c++fqa/ Are there any good passionate pro C++ versus C arguments?

"There appear to be a lot of good rants against C++....Are there any good passionate pro C++ versus C arguments?"

By definition, the people who write the "entertaining" rants against C++ have an axe to grind. The people who like C++ just silently use it, and feel no need to write advocacy blog posts for the language. Even if they were to blog about it, it would be about as compelling as someone advocating for their favorite brand of screwdriver. Like it or not, C++ is the incumbent, and it's neither interesting nor fun to read someone advocating for the status quo.

Whenever you find yourself arriving at an opinion about a programming language solely from rants that you read on some dude's blog, please keep in mind that you're probably being most heavily influenced by the very people least qualified to teach you anything useful about the language. The internet is filled with useful articles about C++, but you don't remember those. You remember that Zed Shaw couldn't figure out how const works in C++, and once wrote a funny email about it.

Re: Zed Shaw on C++

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Post by alecco »

Exceptionally good critique. But there are exceptions: programming for Google's V8 in C++ is a pleasure. I've never seen any interpreter code so clean and easy to extend. Like a breath of fresh air.

Re: Zed Shaw on C++

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Post by Terry_B »

I really dislike C++ but more to the point I really dislike other people's C++.

This is triple compounded when you only have to do C++ occasionally. I've never even got close to the point of looking at something like const *const char & and reading it like it was something normal like others seem to do.

Re: Zed Shaw on C++

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Post by lanstein »

timr wrote: post #15
kqr2 wrote: post #4

There appear to be a lot of good rants against C++. To name a few: * Linus Torvalds : http://lwn.net/Articles/249460/ * C++ Frequently Questioned Answers : http://yosefk.com/c++fqa/ Are there any good passionate pro C++ versus C arguments?

"There appear to be a lot of good rants against C++....Are there any good passionate pro C++ versus C arguments?" By definition, the people who write the "entertaining" rants against C++ have an axe to grind. The people who like C++ just silently use it , and feel no need to write advocacy blog posts for the language. Even if they were to blog about it, it would be about as compelling as someone advocating for their…

> You remember that Zed Shaw couldn't figure out how const works in C++, and once wrote a funny email about it.

source?

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