“Google: it is time to return to not being evil” • Hacker News Board

Re: “Google: it is time to return to not being evil”

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Post by gaius » Mon, Sep 04, 2017, 8:40 PM UTC

gsnedders wrote: post #9

gaius wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is not a summary. The article opens with Google faking breaking compatibility with Opera in order to push their own browser. Why fake? Because the services worked perfectly when faking the user agent...

> The article opens with Google faking breaking compatibility with Opera in order to push their own browser. It explicitly states that it got worse when they introduced their own browser, which implies it pre-dates their own browser.

I think he means that first Google was cozy with Mozilla, and then later introduced Chrome. Opera the browser predates Google the company.

Re: “Google: it is time to return to not being evil”

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Post by Jonnax » Mon, Sep 04, 2017, 8:45 PM UTC

Google are really shitty with their web browser especially on mobile.

If you run Firefox you get a stripped down version of Google Search also with no infinite scrolling for images and low resolution.

Use a user agent spoofer like this: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/chrome-ua-on-...

And it seems to work fine on Firefox.

I'm sure their official excuse is that they only support WebKit based browsers on mobile, like it's the new Internet Explorer with some modern day ActiveX

Re: “Google: it is time to return to not being evil”

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Post by akerl_ » Mon, Sep 04, 2017, 8:46 PM UTC

tryingagainbro wrote: post #3

Vivaldi CEO – “Google: it is time to return to not being evil” Me: that train has left the station. When you have monopoly power (70%-98% of market share) the governments should return Google and Whatever Corp to not being evil.

It seems like companies are stuck in a losing game. We constantly push small companies to capture more market share. Any companies that fold during that effort, we bring out the pitchforks because the services they ran get shut off. Any companies that succeed, we bring out the pitchforks because they own too much market power.

It seems a bit much that we ask for companies to constantly grow and simultaneously ensure they never pass 70% market share.

Re: “Google: it is time to return to not being evil”

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Sep 04, 2017, 8:51 PM UTC

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Re: “Google: it is time to return to not being evil”

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Post by jrs95 » Mon, Sep 04, 2017, 8:55 PM UTC

lightedman wrote: post #8

Really sounds like some sort of RICO or extortion charge should be filed against Google, assuming this is all 100% factual.

That’s probably why they have the government on their payroll.

Re: “Google: it is time to return to not being evil”

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Post by chki » Mon, Sep 04, 2017, 8:57 PM UTC

akerl_ wrote: post #13

tryingagainbro wrote: post #3

Vivaldi CEO – “Google: it is time to return to not being evil” Me: that train has left the station. When you have monopoly power (70%-98% of market share) the governments should return Google and Whatever Corp to not being evil.

It seems like companies are stuck in a losing game. We constantly push small companies to capture more market share. Any companies that fold during that effort, we bring out the pitchforks because the services they ran get shut off. Any companies that succeed , we bring out the pitchforks because they own too much market power. It seems a bit much that we ask for companies to constantly grow and simultaneously ensure…

Do "we" really push companies to capture market share? I mean sure, stockholders do, but "we" as the general public don't really care about a companies size until they become too big.

Re: “Google: it is time to return to not being evil”

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Post by clumsysmurf » Mon, Sep 04, 2017, 9:03 PM UTC

akerl_ wrote: post #13

tryingagainbro wrote: post #3

Vivaldi CEO – “Google: it is time to return to not being evil” Me: that train has left the station. When you have monopoly power (70%-98% of market share) the governments should return Google and Whatever Corp to not being evil.

It seems like companies are stuck in a losing game. We constantly push small companies to capture more market share. Any companies that fold during that effort, we bring out the pitchforks because the services they ran get shut off. Any companies that succeed , we bring out the pitchforks because they own too much market power. It seems a bit much that we ask for companies to constantly grow and simultaneously ensure…

> It seems a bit much that we ask for companies to constantly grow

Its often brought up, that corporations and the economy have to keep growing ... but is it really necessary? Why can't both achieve some steady state equilibrium within a system of finite resources?

Re: “Google: it is time to return to not being evil”

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Post by coding123 » Mon, Sep 04, 2017, 9:05 PM UTC

akerl_ wrote: post #13

tryingagainbro wrote: post #3

Vivaldi CEO – “Google: it is time to return to not being evil” Me: that train has left the station. When you have monopoly power (70%-98% of market share) the governments should return Google and Whatever Corp to not being evil.

It seems like companies are stuck in a losing game. We constantly push small companies to capture more market share. Any companies that fold during that effort, we bring out the pitchforks because the services they ran get shut off. Any companies that succeed , we bring out the pitchforks because they own too much market power. It seems a bit much that we ask for companies to constantly grow and simultaneously ensure…

Well when you combine all views on anything and try to abide by everyone's demands, the end result is immediate end of all motion. There is a divided view on everything.

Re: “Google: it is time to return to not being evil”

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Post by kuschku » Mon, Sep 04, 2017, 9:05 PM UTC

Jonnax wrote: post #12

Google are really shitty with their web browser especially on mobile. If you run Firefox you get a stripped down version of Google Search also with no infinite scrolling for images and low resolution. Use a user agent spoofer like this: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/chrome-ua-on-... And it seems to work fine on Firefox. I'm sure their official excuse is that they only support WebKit based browsers on…

Not just that, but major functionality is missing. You can't restrict search just to your native language, or to all languages. You can't set a time frame.

Re: “Google: it is time to return to not being evil”

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Post by devwastaken » Mon, Sep 04, 2017, 9:09 PM UTC

akerl_ wrote: post #13

tryingagainbro wrote: post #3

Vivaldi CEO – “Google: it is time to return to not being evil” Me: that train has left the station. When you have monopoly power (70%-98% of market share) the governments should return Google and Whatever Corp to not being evil.

It seems like companies are stuck in a losing game. We constantly push small companies to capture more market share. Any companies that fold during that effort, we bring out the pitchforks because the services they ran get shut off. Any companies that succeed , we bring out the pitchforks because they own too much market power. It seems a bit much that we ask for companies to constantly grow and simultaneously ensure…

> Any companies that succeed, we bring out the pitchforks because they own too much market power.

Who does that? Why do you have to have 'too much market power' to succeed? If google was 1/10 its size, it'd still be successful.