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Re: Ask HN: A solution for "How to recruit?"

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Interestingly enough, 10 point "employees" can and do have trouble differentiating themselves. MIT Ph.D. admission, for instance, is rather selective. There is much research available demonstrating that there is a huge qualitative difference between consummate achievers and great minds. Unfortunately, most businesses and schools have far too many applications for employment and need some easy metric to reduce the set…

What happens to the popularity of the software when the hiring managers or HR people are rated poorly or even "just average"? Think about the newest social games. They metric is progression. There are no downers. If you have a low score, it's because you're new to the game or haven't played enough. You always "gain" experience points, gold, whatever. In order to get past the chicken and egg problem in the social spac…

I don't think so. Viewing one's site in terms of game mechanics is a fun idea and has some basis in game theory. However, all I really have to do is offer a winning value proposition. If you are a hiring manager and are rated fairly low on the managerial aspects, you might disagree with that evaluation of your skills. Any prudent person would not base their decision on one data point. Rather, the intelligent hiring manager would evaluate applicants based upon the site's relative ranking of that person compared to other members of his or her team.

While the perception of a 1 to infinity scale reduces the immediate negativity of being obviously below average... that illusion only works for a short period of time. When you start playing WoW 10 gold coins is a lot of money, you can delude yourself and harbor odd ideas about your worth. However, once you compare yourself to _anyone_ else, it becomes immediately apparent that 10 gold coins is practically worthless. As far as the "misdirection" is concerned, perhaps I ought to note some aspects of the UI.

Unlike LinkedIn or Facebook, the site doesn't revolve around the user. As such, when you visit the site or login, you are not presented with your profile. Rather, the site is devoted to finding and comparing applicants. As such, the main page is a search page and most users will likely spend much of their time sorting through candidates. In fact, the only way a user could see their own data is to search for themselves. My guess is that that'll be a fairly common practice. My hope is that people will identify their weaknesses and either improve them or re-evaluate their career goals.

I know it seems harsh. But, the hiring practice is harsh. I sit people in a little, unfamiliar, echo chamber and send in a string of people to scrutinize and judge them. I'm not trying to get everyone hired on at obscene salaries and stroke everyone's ego. My goal is not to paint the world with a rainbow facade of unicorns and fairies. I want to enable Harvard, Yale, MIT, IBM, Microsoft, Google, et cetera to have a tool which quickly and accurately separates the wheat from the chaff. If an individual's skills are average or worse, they're not likely to be working at a company which receives so many applications that so sort of automated elimination is requisite. Rather, they're probably looking for average people for average work at an average company. And there's nothing wrong with that.

Here on HN, there are a lot of startups with a different sort of problem. No applications, but strong desires/needs for well-qualified employees. In that case, this tool would also be useful. If a startup wants to rely on friends from college and guys met at HN meetups, that's fine.

Again, I appreciate any and all feedback and am aware of the cold start and related problems. I have a few solutions that I'm not interested in discussing here and now; but, I understand that this is a major concern and certainly appreciate people pointing it out.

Re: Ask HN: A solution for "How to recruit?"

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Again, even the idea of a '10 point programmer' or a '5 point programmer' is depressing, and I struggle to believe that it could accurately convey the complexity of the value that different people have in different contexts. Where I DO see some interesting numbers having values in this area are where the numbers aren't rankings, but rather indications of participation, passion, and relevance. For instance, I think St…

Interestingly enough, 10 point "employees" can and do have trouble differentiating themselves. MIT Ph.D. admission, for instance, is rather selective. There is much research available demonstrating that there is a huge qualitative difference between consummate achievers and great minds. Unfortunately, most businesses and schools have far too many applications for employment and need some easy metric to reduce the set…

So you want to build a FICO score for employees. Gotcha. I just think it sounds very challenging (or impossible) to get a number to reflect someone's fit for a position accurately.. and difficult to get adopted. It's complex enough to attribute a number that represents someone's ability to pay back a debt.. and that's based on fairly straightforward historical behaviors that aren't up for much debate... someone's skill and past job performance are subjective.. so you'll crowd-source it and hope that the score averages out, but that requires participation. What's the motivation to rate people? The whole thing sounds gross.

Re: Ask HN: A solution for "How to recruit?"

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Interestingly enough, 10 point "employees" can and do have trouble differentiating themselves. MIT Ph.D. admission, for instance, is rather selective. There is much research available demonstrating that there is a huge qualitative difference between consummate achievers and great minds. Unfortunately, most businesses and schools have far too many applications for employment and need some easy metric to reduce the set…

So you want to build a FICO score for employees. Gotcha. I just think it sounds very challenging (or impossible) to get a number to reflect someone's fit for a position accurately.. and difficult to get adopted. It's complex enough to attribute a number that represents someone's ability to pay back a debt.. and that's based on fairly straightforward historical behaviors that aren't up for much debate... someone's ski…

It does sound gross. I'll admit that. A friend of mine, after hearing about all the gorey details, hated the idea. He said it was intrusive and ripe for abuse. Every bit of that is true. Your reservations are accurate and commendable. I'd have the very same objections.

But, I've got a few ideas about how to do some initial data mining to build a useful-yet-niched database. I'll target a specific industry and, I'm guessing, enough people will value their skills that they'll be happy to encourage their friends and colleges to rate them. The hope is that this can be done quickly enough to generate sufficiently many data points for accurate analysis without the initial dataset.

Once that happens, I'm banking on the utility of the system. If it's as good as I hope, it'll be adopted by other groups. If it's not, then it should fail.

As far as the grossness factor and potential for abuse goes; I'm protecting user information as much as is humanly possible -- at least, to the limits of my own ability. The system will be open sourced and as transparent as possible. Unfortunately, I can only guarantee so much. I can't think of a way for users to verify what code is actually running on the server -- but, they can ensure that the data they are sending to the server is exactly what they expect. But, there is no certainty that the server isn't recording their IP and associating it with the input for future data analysis. Hm.

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