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Target is plotting a big move away from AWS as Amazon takes over retail

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Re: Target is plotting a big move away from AWS as Amazon takes over retail

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The article missed one huge factor: date farming by AWS/Amazon. If one has data on pricing and sales across retail and online channels on a national scale, how risky would a purchase of a retailer really be? Not much, as you can pivot towards high sales, high profit products without doubting your strategy Target, Walmart & other retailers de-risked Amazon's purchase of wholefoods

Do we know Amazon's policy on "peeking" into people's AWS data? I feel like they would have something against that in their ToS/Privacy Policy.

That absolutely will not look at your data under any circumstance, even if you specifically ask them to.

Multiple times I was trying to troubleshoot an issue and asked them to "just log into the database" and they said they have very strict policies against that.

There is no way they have any of Target's data.

Re: Target is plotting a big move away from AWS as Amazon takes over retail

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The article missed one huge factor: date farming by AWS/Amazon. If one has data on pricing and sales across retail and online channels on a national scale, how risky would a purchase of a retailer really be? Not much, as you can pivot towards high sales, high profit products without doubting your strategy Target, Walmart & other retailers de-risked Amazon's purchase of wholefoods

Amazon is a company that cares about credibility above all else, plus word travels fast in software engineering circles. Seems unlikely they would risk snooping

Re: Target is plotting a big move away from AWS as Amazon takes over retail

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do we know Amazon's policy on "peeking" into people's AWS data? I feel like they would have something against that in their ToS/Privacy Policy.

That absolutely will not look at your data under any circumstance, even if you specifically ask them to. Multiple times I was trying to troubleshoot an issue and asked them to "just log into the database" and they said they have very strict policies against that. There is no way they have any of Target's data.

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Re: Target is plotting a big move away from AWS as Amazon takes over retail

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The article missed one huge factor: date farming by AWS/Amazon. If one has data on pricing and sales across retail and online channels on a national scale, how risky would a purchase of a retailer really be? Not much, as you can pivot towards high sales, high profit products without doubting your strategy Target, Walmart & other retailers de-risked Amazon's purchase of wholefoods

Amazon is a company that cares about credibility above all else, plus word travels fast in software engineering circles. Seems unlikely they would risk snooping

Realistically it would take a very small team to do this orthogonal to the rest of the aws team.

Re: Target is plotting a big move away from AWS as Amazon takes over retail

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I don't know how strategic that move is in this case. It's not going to slow down Amazon's retail growth, and it'll just cost Target more to transition. They should have sound reasons to move away, like if they found cheaper and better alternatives. I don't know, it feels a little desperate from my point of view.

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Re: Target is plotting a big move away from AWS as Amazon takes over retail

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do we know Amazon's policy on "peeking" into people's AWS data? I feel like they would have something against that in their ToS/Privacy Policy.

That absolutely will not look at your data under any circumstance, even if you specifically ask them to. Multiple times I was trying to troubleshoot an issue and asked them to "just log into the database" and they said they have very strict policies against that. There is no way they have any of Target's data.

Customer service not doing it in front of a customer is a lot different than Amazon not doing it at all.

Doesn't Reddit have a policy against secretly editing user's posts? Didn't precisely that happen during the election by an admin?

Re: Target is plotting a big move away from AWS as Amazon takes over retail

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post #5

I don't know how strategic that move is in this case. It's not going to slow down Amazon's retail growth, and it'll just cost Target more to transition. They should have sound reasons to move away, like if they found cheaper and better alternatives. I don't know, it feels a little desperate from my point of view.

It seems more defensive than strategic. Seems like you wouldn't want your competitor to be your infrastructure provider and be in physical possession of potentially differentiating assets.

Re: Target is plotting a big move away from AWS as Amazon takes over retail

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That absolutely will not look at your data under any circumstance, even if you specifically ask them to. Multiple times I was trying to troubleshoot an issue and asked them to "just log into the database" and they said they have very strict policies against that. There is no way they have any of Target's data.

Customer service not doing it in front of a customer is a lot different than Amazon not doing it at all. Doesn't Reddit have a policy against secretly editing user's posts? Didn't precisely that happen during the election by an admin?

It was Reddit's CEO:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/nov/25/reddit-ceo-a...

Re: Target is plotting a big move away from AWS as Amazon takes over retail

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They're the system admins on all their managed databases. Think about it

Not that Target is well-known to be good at security, but if AWS was discovered snooping on their data that would probably be the end of their business. Not to mention the tsunami of lawsuits launched by other companies spooked by the scandal. I can't imagine any manager or engineer willing to risk their career doing so. Then again, a director at Volkswagen agreed to intentionally cheat emissions tests, so perhaps an…

> but if AWS was discovered snooping on their data that would probably be the end of their business. Not to mention the tsunami of lawsuits launched by other companies spooked by the scandal. I can't imagine any manager or engineer willing to risk their career doing so.

Absolutely correct. Mutually assured destruction[1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destruction

Re: Target is plotting a big move away from AWS as Amazon takes over retail

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They're the system admins on all their managed databases. Think about it

Not that Target is well-known to be good at security, but if AWS was discovered snooping on their data that would probably be the end of their business. Not to mention the tsunami of lawsuits launched by other companies spooked by the scandal. I can't imagine any manager or engineer willing to risk their career doing so. Then again, a director at Volkswagen agreed to intentionally cheat emissions tests, so perhaps an…

I can't imagine an engineer creating a Diesel engine designed for fraud. But it happened. I'd say that in a company with an aggressive business culture like Amazon this is only more likely.
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