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My experience as the first employee of a Y Combinator startup

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Re: My experience as the first employee of a Y Combinator startup

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Employee compensation from startups depends on many factors including how much they value employees, but it's really important for prospective startup employees to understand that you'll probably work longer hours, have more responsibility, and earn less than if you keep your day job.

Someone with experience in a great "normal" job may be surprised that the compensation, including equity, of a first employee is usually significantly less than what they're already earning. A first employee is taking a risk in opportunity cost by accepting a lower salary, but the risk should have an associated reward, namely equity. However, if a company has to do well just for the employee to break even with the opportunity cost, joining a startup doesn't seem like a sound choice. And not just in terms of money, but also general wealth and quality of life.

Further, the hours conserved by remaining at the day job can be used to build your own product. When the risk-level is acceptable, leave the day job for your own startup where you can maintain control and keep a meaningful equity percentage.

There are benefits to being a startup employee, such as the exposure to growing a company and the opportunity to join a support network and work with good people. Those things have value, but not always enough to offset the opportunity cost of either keeping the day job or founding your own startup.

Personally, I'd still consider joining a startup as an employee if it was a great match.

As a side note, RethinkDB has done a great job with posting a mapping of position/experience to compensation. They set compensation expectations before a prospective employee has even applied.

Re: My experience as the first employee of a Y Combinator startup

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If it takes you weeks to recover from a burn-out you haven't burned out - yet. Burn out is a serious issue and some people never fully recover from it. If you're working hard and you need a break after a few months of hard labour that's normal, but it's not the same as being burned out. Otherwise a great piece and nice to get some insight in to what goes on behind the scenes of backtype.

Can you provide more info on burn-out? What it's like at its worst?

Re: My experience as the first employee of a Y Combinator startup

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Interesting read but the details are a bit scary from my comfy chair here in enterprise software land: - Six years at Stanford, two CS degrees - Works up to 90 hours a week from home, has burned out multiple times in only six months with the company - Founders work even more - All three appear to be single white 20something males - Job and tech (Clojure!) sound cool. Edit: All that said he seems like a nice guy and I…

Why is it bad that they're white?

Obviously it's not bad in and of itself, it's just an additional layer of homogeneity that a prospective teammate will consider before applying.

The 90+ hour workweeks are already a big red flag to anyone with a spouse and/or children. It's hard to get along at work when everyone else is comfortable contributing in ways that you can't match directly. No one wants to be the odd man out in a high pressure work environment.

Edit: Fwiw I am also a white 20something male! I have always worked in relatively diverse environments and I have enjoyed it and would look for the same in my next employer.

Re: My experience as the first employee of a Y Combinator startup

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I personally think the first one to five employees in a minimally funded startup with small m&a exit as the likely exit are getting a bad deal, vs. the founders or employees who join after financing.

An early employee will get about a percent tops as an individual contributor...maybe up to five percent tops if he is more of a vp engineering. In exchange, a seriously below market salary, equally high if not higher risk of losing one's job vs. founders, and vastly less respect when he later goes to try to do his own startup.

Assuming the same caliber of individual, it makes a lot more sense to either found your own startup, or join after real financing (where you get a market salary, and have a lot less risk, plus a lot of startups with problems have been shaken out.).

Obviously being am early employee at a great startup like google or Facebook makes sense, but for companies more likely going for 10 to 50m base hits, I don't think early employee is a financially rational decision. (note to future people I want to hire: I only do high risk potentially high value exit startups, so your initial equity actually is worth it!)

Re: My experience as the first employee of a Y Combinator startup

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Interesting read but the details are a bit scary from my comfy chair here in enterprise software land: - Six years at Stanford, two CS degrees - Works up to 90 hours a week from home, has burned out multiple times in only six months with the company - Founders work even more - All three appear to be single white 20something males - Job and tech (Clojure!) sound cool. Edit: All that said he seems like a nice guy and I…

I've had some weeks where I've pulled 90+ hours, but my normal week is more like 70 hours.

Re: My experience as the first employee of a Y Combinator startup

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If it takes you weeks to recover from a burn-out you haven't burned out - yet. Burn out is a serious issue and some people never fully recover from it. If you're working hard and you need a break after a few months of hard labour that's normal, but it's not the same as being burned out. Otherwise a great piece and nice to get some insight in to what goes on behind the scenes of backtype.

Can you provide more info on burn-out? What it's like at its worst?

Real burnout is something like losing confidence in your own ability, or the overall system or world. It doesn't go away with time, per se, but requires a real change of your life....like getting a manual labor type job for a few years, going back to school, etc.

Re: My experience as the first employee of a Y Combinator startup

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Interesting read but the details are a bit scary from my comfy chair here in enterprise software land: - Six years at Stanford, two CS degrees - Works up to 90 hours a week from home, has burned out multiple times in only six months with the company - Founders work even more - All three appear to be single white 20something males - Job and tech (Clojure!) sound cool. Edit: All that said he seems like a nice guy and I…

Why is it bad that they're white?

It's not bad that they're white - it's bad if they're three identical clones.

Re: My experience as the first employee of a Y Combinator startup

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you provide more info on burn-out? What it's like at its worst?

Real burnout is something like losing confidence in your own ability, or the overall system or world. It doesn't go away with time, per se, but requires a real change of your life....like getting a manual labor type job for a few years, going back to school, etc.

Absolutely. I burned out at a tech job in 2000, and spent several subsequent years working as a climbing instructor, outdoor gear retail clerk, cable technician, etc. ... anything that didn't require the use of a computer.

There's a difference between simply needing a vacation, and being completely and absolutely disgusted with your field and everyone in it.

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