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The World Belongs to Those Who Create

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Re: The World Belongs to Those Who Create

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Post by winter_blue »

ldp01 wrote: post #7

There's truth to this post but overall I think it's pretty naive. In a capitalist system the world belongs to those who own and have spare capital to invest vs. those who rent. Being very good at creating things is a potential pathway from renter to owner, but so is being very good at maintaining things, or managing people, etc. Anything which you can be paid a lot of money for will do.

I think the author point was about what would bring the greatest self-fullfillment. It's not necessarily money.

You could be an author or an artist or something else, and have far more fulfillment in life than making 10x working at a job that you're good at but that doesn't bring you as much fulfillment.

Re: The World Belongs to Those Who Create

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Post by ldp01 »

winter_blue wrote: post #11
ldp01 wrote: post #7

There's truth to this post but overall I think it's pretty naive. In a capitalist system the world belongs to those who own and have spare capital to invest vs. those who rent. Being very good at creating things is a potential pathway from renter to owner, but so is being very good at maintaining things, or managing people, etc. Anything which you can be paid a lot of money for will do.

I think the author point was about what would bring the greatest self-fullfillment. It's not necessarily money. You could be an author or an artist or something else, and have far more fulfillment in life than making 10x working at a job that you're good at but that doesn't bring you as much fulfillment.

Fair enough, but I think it's a simplification of how life really works for most people.

For the average person, the choice to become a successful artist isn't a trade off between more money and more satisfaction. If they fail to become successful they will significantly lose out in terms of life's more basic needs, because they won't have enough money.

Edit: Don't get me wrong, I would love to agree with OP. But I don't think human society is there yet.

Re: The World Belongs to Those Who Create

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Post by adjkant »

stephengillie wrote: post #14

If you sleep 6 hours instead of 8, you gain about a day every 2 weeks.

You can also achieve the same thing by sleeping less frequently, but that doesn't work well if you care about being awake at the same time as others always. But right now I have a spare week and will gain an extra day of time this week.

Re: The World Belongs to Those Who Create

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Post by georgecarlin »

sharemywin wrote: post #6

the problem is the definition of make and create and what has value has changed. 10 thousand years ago people celebrated when a big kill was brought home from the hunt. 5000 years ago people celebrated the seasonal harvests. 100 years ago you put in a good days work at a factory turning a screw but you helped make a car. today if it's not novel or unique it's not celebrated or valued.

Excuses excuses my friend!

Re: The World Belongs to Those Who Create

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Post by tluyben2 »

thesmallestcat wrote: post #12
nnd wrote: post #8

It’s pretty obvious, isn’t it? The only meaningful thing to do in this world is to create, there is nothing else.

I'd like my creations to be consumed...

That is something I struggled with: do I like creating or do I like others to consume my creations more? And, if the latter, do I like that more because that is how I make money? I concluded after many years (I am 42) that I like creating. I need consumption of it because I might need money but for me to be happy, only creating would suffice.

Re: The World Belongs to Those Who Create

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Post by jrs235 »

winter_blue wrote: post #3

This post really resonated with me, deeply. I've been having almost exactly the same thoughts that the author has had, lately. I think a lot of us underestimate how essential creative self-expression is to our well being. I've come to the realization that I don't want to just live a regular life, working and consuming, but rather I want to contribute something creative, of my own creation, to the world. Deep inside,…

Everyone desires to be [a] god. What does a god have the power to do? Create. Naturally everyone wants to create things. When we can't or aren't allowed to create we return towards the other power gods have: the power to destroy. We all want to feel in control. One way to feel that is to create things the other way is to destroy things.

Re: The World Belongs to Those Who Create

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Post by marzipan »

It's a false dichotomy. Creating by copying and referencing is quite trivial now. We do it all the time and think nothing of it.

Creating original designs, giving them a lot of thought and attention, responding to feedback, and changing workflow as a result, that's still hard. And there are a lot of ways in which you can come up with an innovative spin on old stuff - presentation, cataloging, filtering, recommending, explaining - that isn't "creative output" in the sense we are romanticizing, but provides the same kinds of effect on knowledge.

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