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Ellen Pao: My lawsuit failed. Others won’t

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Re: Ellen Pao: My lawsuit failed. Others won’t

#11

Post by dang »

rimliu wrote: post #9
dang wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Users flagged it. This is obviously a substantive article by HN standards so I've turned off flags.

Usually the answer given to the question "why is this article on the front page" is "because users upvoted it". Now it seems what users think does not matter.

> Now it seems

I get how fun it is to do the long jump, but given that we're talking about something that happens less than 0.0001% of the time, it seems fair to expect a bit better reply quality than this.

Re: Ellen Pao: My lawsuit failed. Others won’t

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Post by sgift »

rimliu wrote: post #9
dang wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Users flagged it. This is obviously a substantive article by HN standards so I've turned off flags.

Usually the answer given to the question "why is this article on the front page" is "because users upvoted it". Now it seems what users think does not matter.

Flagging is a separate system from upvotes. It still needs upvotes to be on the front page - which it has.

Re: Ellen Pao: My lawsuit failed. Others won’t

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Post by rimliu »

sgift wrote: post #13
rimliu wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Usually the answer given to the question "why is this article on the front page" is "because users upvoted it". Now it seems what users think does not matter.

Flagging is a separate system from upvotes. It still needs upvotes to be on the front page - which it has.

What difference does it make if it is the same system or the separate one? I am talking about users' will being ignored there on the whim of someone, just because s/he knows better.

Re: Ellen Pao: My lawsuit failed. Others won’t

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Post by abalone »

dang wrote: post #7
willvarfar wrote: post #2

Why has this disappeared from the front page? I'm reading it, return to upvote, and its gone :(

Users flagged it. This is obviously a substantive article by HN standards so I've turned off flags.

Seems like that may have happened with this very substantive Bloomberg article today as well, worth reading, "How Women Got Crowded Out of the Computing Revolution": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15058338

It was on the front page then disappeared quickly, then flagged and unflagged. I fear however that by the time it was unflagged it lost momentum and never had a chance to make it back.

Here's a thought: Would it make sense to reset the decay rate for unflagged articles to counteract such effects?

Re: Ellen Pao: My lawsuit failed. Others won’t

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Post by slindz »

dovdovdov wrote: post #10

./.

It was really interesting to hear about the potential of a troll brigade being dispatched against her during her trial.

I'm not saying I buy it and have re-evaluated everything I've ever heard about her; but it raises an interesting awareness of how often carefully placed comments and bits of information can forever color your opinion on something.

Re: Ellen Pao: My lawsuit failed. Others won’t

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Post by rimliu »

dang wrote: post #11
rimliu wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Usually the answer given to the question "why is this article on the front page" is "because users upvoted it". Now it seems what users think does not matter.

> Now it seems I get how fun it is to do the long jump, but given that we're talking about something that happens less than 0.0001% of the time, it seems fair to expect a bit better reply quality than this.

I am probably missing something, but does that mean that you can do anything as long as you do it seldom enough?

Re: Ellen Pao: My lawsuit failed. Others won’t

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Post by AnonNo15 »

>Honestly, I might have considered dating him had he been

>less arrogant and less married.

Ah, I see. If you are attractive enough, suddenly it is not sexual harassment anymore.

I am not going to have a shred of compassion for any woman in tech who complains about harassment, while mentioning the dating opportunities that happen to come.

Re: Ellen Pao: My lawsuit failed. Others won’t

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Post by smokeyj »

This article goes all over the place. Can anyone make a good summary of what point she's trying to make? It reads like an unfiltered stream of consciousness.

I think she's trying to be convincing and using her writing style to do that - but for me bullet points are more convincing.

From what I read, her account is 99% about her personal experience and not he industry at large. How does this equate to "sexism in the valley"? Honest question.

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