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Post by olewhalehunter »

pmoriarty wrote: post #3
thriftwy wrote: post #2

I'm 88% Eastern European by Family Tree DNA test. Terroir and all that stuff. I think that the racial discourse is not just unfair and smelly, but also unfruitful. You ought to really look at culture. This won't help the right with the left, of course, because they hate to admit cultural differencies either.

Which cultural differences, specifically, are you talking about? Can you give some concrete examples?

The Inuit people, among similar cultures, are having a problem with diabetes because their bodies adapted to a hunter's diet of high protein and fat low in glucose prior to the introduction of agricultural products from colonialism. Darn, that's actually a biological difference too.

https://www.txbiomed.org/news-press/news-releases/inuit-diab...

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Post by mythrwy »

pmoriarty wrote: post #3
thriftwy wrote: post #2

I'm 88% Eastern European by Family Tree DNA test. Terroir and all that stuff. I think that the racial discourse is not just unfair and smelly, but also unfruitful. You ought to really look at culture. This won't help the right with the left, of course, because they hate to admit cultural differencies either.

Which cultural differences, specifically, are you talking about? Can you give some concrete examples?

I took the comment to mean that the complaints of many racists are really often more about what they perceive as "culture" rather than actual genetics. They simply use skin color as a signal and a proxy in assignment because racism is essentially a form of mental laziness.

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Post by the_mitsuhiko »

bloobloobloo wrote: post #9
will_brown wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>88% Eastern European I don't think you went back far enough, keep going and you are likely to find your Eastern European ancestry migrated out of Africa.

The out-of-Africa theory is junky agenda-driven science. It was debunked a decade ago. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-the-out-of-afr...

Still out of Africa.

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Post by thinkfurther »

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #10

How to “scientifically” determine race was a huge problem for racist regimes like Nazi Germany, Apartheid South Africa and the Jim Crow United States. They ended up with various kludges, because there is no such thing as pure “white” blood, nor a convenient clean line between white and black or any other such socially-constructed category.

It wasn't really a problem for the Nazis though. Hannah Arendt explained how in a way defying reality is a badge of honor for members (of one of the onion layers of) totalitarian movements.

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Post by dragonwriter »

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #10

How to “scientifically” determine race was a huge problem for racist regimes like Nazi Germany, Apartheid South Africa and the Jim Crow United States. They ended up with various kludges, because there is no such thing as pure “white” blood, nor a convenient clean line between white and black or any other such socially-constructed category.

> How to “scientifically” determine race was a huge problem for racist regimes like Nazi Germany, Apartheid South Africa and the Jim Crow United States.

Not really; sure, having some kind of superficially objective criteria to wave was important, but having it be scientifically valid (or even particularly rigorously applied) wasn't all that important.

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Post by ScottBurson »

I was born in Alabama. Growing up, I was repeatedly told that I was 1/256 Cherokee; this was supposedly the source of my mother's high cheekbones. When I got my 23andMe results, they showed 0% Native American, and .4% African.

Well, .4% is of course just about 1/256. I believe the 23andMe result. I believe that the Cherokee thing was just a cover story concocted at some point to hide the fact that one of my family's ancestors was an African slave. And I think the outcome demonstrates that the 23andMe analysis is, in fact, pretty accurate.

So when I read that some guy came out a whopping 14% African and wants to put it down to statistical error, I just laugh.

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Post by incompatible »

pmoriarty wrote: post #3
thriftwy wrote: post #2

I'm 88% Eastern European by Family Tree DNA test. Terroir and all that stuff. I think that the racial discourse is not just unfair and smelly, but also unfruitful. You ought to really look at culture. This won't help the right with the left, of course, because they hate to admit cultural differencies either.

Which cultural differences, specifically, are you talking about? Can you give some concrete examples?

Language and religion are big ones.

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Post by anonymous930104 »

https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2015/01/07/claims-that-us...

http://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-white-black-a-murky-distinctio...

http://www.cell.com/ajhg/fulltext/S0002-9297(14)00476-5

tl;dr: the average "white" American is of 98.6% European ancestry, contrary to what this thinkpiece suggests. And on Cobb's much-publicized result:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2013/11/white-suprema...

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Post by bloobloobloo »

the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #13
bloobloobloo wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The out-of-Africa theory is junky agenda-driven science. It was debunked a decade ago. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-the-out-of-afr...

Still out of Africa.

Most North American scientists agree that Asia isn't really in Africa per se. Perhaps this news hasn't reached your corner of the world.
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