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Investor Bulletin, July 25: Initial Coin Offerings

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Re: Investor Bulletin, July 25: Initial Coin Offerings

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> Ask whether the blockchain is open and public, whether the code has been published, and whether there has been an independent cybersecurity audit. That's an entirely prescient statement that suggests the SEC has done a serious bit of homework and has put careful thought into the subject.

Not prescient, real. There have been ICOs where the blockchain wasn't running yet. That's just a "send us your money" scam.

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Re: Investor Bulletin, July 25: Initial Coin Offerings

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Sincerely hope that people are paying attention. The SEC is as omnipotent as the IRS, in so much as they can make your life a living hell... in very short order. Recommend that people register their securities or currencies with them... besides, registration gives your product the scent of legitimacy, right?

Re: Investor Bulletin, July 25: Initial Coin Offerings

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> Ask whether the blockchain is open and public, whether the code has been published, and whether there has been an independent cybersecurity audit. That's an entirely prescient statement that suggests the SEC has done a serious bit of homework and has put careful thought into the subject.

Not prescient, real. There have been ICOs where the blockchain wasn't running yet. That's just a "send us your money" scam.

The vast majority are garbage regardless, and are nothing other than bad microtransaction mechanisms (even if you accept that cryptocurrency has fundamental merit, most of it is garbage). I just think it's good that they highlighted open/secure here for future contexts.

Re: Investor Bulletin, July 25: Initial Coin Offerings

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> Ask whether the blockchain is open and public, whether the code has been published, and whether there has been an independent cybersecurity audit. That's an entirely prescient statement that suggests the SEC has done a serious bit of homework and has put careful thought into the subject.

Not prescient, real. There have been ICOs where the blockchain wasn't running yet. That's just a "send us your money" scam.

Annoyingly enough, that's not sufficient to make those ICOs scam.

The easiest counterexample would be Ethereum itself, who had a teenager as its public face, and raised large amounts of funds on top of mostly just a whitepaper, yet turned out to actually deliver all the crazy stuff they promised.

Re: Investor Bulletin, July 25: Initial Coin Offerings

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It seems like Golem compute tokens would not be considered securities, but what about obvious joke coins that are only a value store, like the FUCK token?

Reminds me of Dogecoin.

Hey now, I own millions of dogecoin still from mining them in my college dorm when the electricity was flat rate. :P

Re: Investor Bulletin, July 25: Initial Coin Offerings

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I don't have anything to add to this discussion, but I just wanna say that I'm impressed by the bulletin's clarity. I'm used to reading government information that's difficult to parse and dive into. It's easy to fall into a belief that government agencies don't really know what they're doing, and it's just a bunch of monkeys banging at typewriters, but seeing clearly written posts discussing current and relevant events helps to silence those beliefs.

I'm seriously wondering, though... Have there really been that many ICOs? As an outsider the general impression I get (which I recognize might be completely inaccurate) from most coins is that they're "get rich quick" schemes.

A while back I was trying to read up on Ethereum, and despite their nice landing page and superficial info.... Once I tried digging in further into the actual code and actually running any stuff, it was a horribly confusing mess that made me hesitant to put my trust in them. All their docs and wikis seemed full of outdated links and information.

Re: Investor Bulletin, July 25: Initial Coin Offerings

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not prescient, real. There have been ICOs where the blockchain wasn't running yet. That's just a "send us your money" scam.

Annoyingly enough, that's not sufficient to make those ICOs scam. The easiest counterexample would be Ethereum itself, who had a teenager as its public face, and raised large amounts of funds on top of mostly just a whitepaper, yet turned out to actually deliver all the crazy stuff they promised.

> deliver all the crazy stuff they promised.

I dunno; I'm still trying to figure out whether it's a great idea or the worst idea. I don't want to have to do a code review on my investments; at large enough scale, lawyers are way cheaper than losing money.

Re: Investor Bulletin, July 25: Initial Coin Offerings

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I wrote an in-depth analysis of this bulletin and its associated report on The DAO:

https://medium.com/@andrew311/thoughts-on-the-secs-initial-c...

In the post, I explore what constitutes a security by examining case law and draw comparisons to other means of raising money for companies that are typically outside the purview of securities (gift cards, Kickstarter). Hopefully this helps provide perspective.

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