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DOJ Demands Files on Anti-Trump Activists, and DreamHost Resists

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Re: DOJ Demands Files on Anti-Trump Activists, and DreamHost Resists

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Post by angerbot »

mankash666 wrote: post #4

This is the proper thing to do for DreamHost. On an un-related matter, domain registrars (Google, Go-Daddy) shouldn't be the ones censoring free speech of the alt-right by revoking Daily Stormer's registration. However vile and despicable the views expressed on the site, they have a constitutional right to it. If they indulge in illegal activities, alerting law enforcement is the recommended course of action, just li…

Google and Go-Daddy also have a constitutional right not to associate or do business with the alt-right (or really, anyone else they disagree with). You are protected from the government restricting your speech, no one else has any obligation to put up with you.

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Post by bobsky »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #5

Why is a political organization retaining any info that isn't the minimum to do their job? It's not like both sides haven't been trying to get their enemies membership lists for the past 100+yr.

Regarding logs:

"...the site's administrators didn't keep this data for DisruptJ20.org, but DreamHost did...

DreamHost keeps server logs in order to manage the sites of its 400,000-plus customers and identify issues like Distributed Denial of Service attacks.

"We only retain those logs for a very brief time," Dunst wrote. "The DOJ served us with a preservation notice immediately after the inauguration, which is why we still have access to that data in this case."

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Post by mulmen »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #5

Why is a political organization retaining any info that isn't the minimum to do their job? It's not like both sides haven't been trying to get their enemies membership lists for the past 100+yr.

Why would a political organization feel the need to protect their information from the DOJ?

This isn't a matter of "sides", it is a matter of extreme overreach by the executive branch.

Re: DOJ Demands Files on Anti-Trump Activists, and DreamHost Resists

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Post by southphillyman »

mankash666 wrote: post #4

This is the proper thing to do for DreamHost. On an un-related matter, domain registrars (Google, Go-Daddy) shouldn't be the ones censoring free speech of the alt-right by revoking Daily Stormer's registration. However vile and despicable the views expressed on the site, they have a constitutional right to it. If they indulge in illegal activities, alerting law enforcement is the recommended course of action, just li…

There are these little paragraphs most of us never read called "Terms of Service" that out line reasons why a website may or may not restrict your use.

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Post by nostromo »

whateveracct wrote: post #7
mankash666 wrote: post #4

This is the proper thing to do for DreamHost. On an un-related matter, domain registrars (Google, Go-Daddy) shouldn't be the ones censoring free speech of the alt-right by revoking Daily Stormer's registration. However vile and despicable the views expressed on the site, they have a constitutional right to it. If they indulge in illegal activities, alerting law enforcement is the recommended course of action, just li…

> On an un-related matter, domain registrars (Google, Go-Daddy) shouldn't be the ones censoring free speech of the alt-right by revoking Daily Stormer's registration. However vile and despicable the views expressed on the site, they have a constitutional right to it. Google and GoDaddy are not beholden to the constitution and are well within their rights to reject the Daily Stormer. White supremacy isn't a suspect cl…

I wonder where we draw the line, particularly with ubiquitous companies like Google, Facebook, and ISPs.

Would you be ok if Comcast decided to disallow you from accessing sites they determine are offensive? Or filesharing? Or porn? Even if it is their right to do so, it'd make me uncomfortable.

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Post by greekyogurt21 »

wildmusings wrote: post #13

They're seeking the identities of the rioters on January 20th. Over 200 people were arrested but many more have yet to face the consequences for what they did.

So let's give up 1.3 million records of user info. Makes sense. /s

Re: DOJ Demands Files on Anti-Trump Activists, and DreamHost Resists

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Post by 0x00000000 »

Stefan-H wrote: post #8
mankash666 wrote: post #4

This is the proper thing to do for DreamHost. On an un-related matter, domain registrars (Google, Go-Daddy) shouldn't be the ones censoring free speech of the alt-right by revoking Daily Stormer's registration. However vile and despicable the views expressed on the site, they have a constitutional right to it. If they indulge in illegal activities, alerting law enforcement is the recommended course of action, just li…

And Google and Go-Daddy have a right to deny service to anyone they like. The constitution only protects individuals from the government infringing on their right to free speech.

>And Google and Go-Daddy have a right to deny service to anyone they like

People keep saying this but I don't think it is true at all. Not trying to be inflammatory, but that wasn't too popular of an opinion when it was the bakery refusing to make a cake for a gay couple

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