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Facebook – You are the Product

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Re: Facebook – You are the Product

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I wonder if, in the future, being able not to be on any social media will be an higher class privilege.

Agreed. Physical privacy (gated communities, SFH's) have long been a higher class privilege. If you're elite enough you can buy part of a Hawaiian island.

Re: Facebook – You are the Product

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It's been years since I deleted my Facebook account, I do use WhatsApp though, and I don't feel like I am missing up on anything.

Deleted my Facebook account two months ago, but kept the Messenger for keeping up with a handful of friends. Haven't missed the newsfeed spam a day since! Rest assured you're not missing out

Is it actually possible to keep messenger without Facebook? Because Facebook is a complete time wasting, spam filled, mind dulling echo chamber platform that I keep going back to due to habit. If I log out or deactivate I completely don't care after a few days, but messenger is essential to me.

Re: Facebook – You are the Product

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Cal Newport has been saying things like Facebook and other SM are engineered to be addictive and we've constantly seeing Youths falling for it. Adam Alter made a similar comment that when we've got a proper regulation for substances, why not for something like social media?

Fb is not just making us another node in a vast network graph but also ensuring a worst boring grown-ups who can't do anything worthy but post an Fb post condemning something and feeling great about their social responsibility.

Re: Facebook – You are the Product

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I read more and more articles and comments about things we've been saying for years. How come you wake up now and say that like it's a surprise ?

Every time I think something like this, I remember that xkcd [1] about people learning things you already know, especially the mouseover text.

[1]: https://xkcd.com/1053/

Re: Facebook – You are the Product

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Deleted my Facebook account two months ago, but kept the Messenger for keeping up with a handful of friends. Haven't missed the newsfeed spam a day since! Rest assured you're not missing out

Is it actually possible to keep messenger without Facebook? Because Facebook is a complete time wasting, spam filled, mind dulling echo chamber platform that I keep going back to due to habit. If I log out or deactivate I completely don't care after a few days, but messenger is essential to me.

Yes, and I didn't know that either until I tried it out. My regular FB account is "deactivated", but Messenger works just fine. They seem to have decoupled both products some time ago.

Re: Facebook – You are the Product

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post #15
post #9

I read more and more articles and comments about things we've been saying for years. How come you wake up now and say that like it's a surprise ?

Every time I think something like this, I remember that xkcd [1] about people learning things you already know, especially the mouseover text. [1]: https://xkcd.com/1053/

On the comics front, I've seen this comic since at least 2013

http://computerfloss.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/facebook...

Re: Facebook – You are the Product

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post #6

I wonder if, in the future, being able not to be on any social media will be an higher class privilege.

We're already there.

You can get a lot more accomplished by not spending time on Facebook. But for many people, vicarious living and social media validation are some of the few things that bring them joy in their lives.

Re: Facebook – You are the Product

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Indeed. Any service online, where you do not explicitly pay money for goods/services rendered, you can rest assured that you are paying with data or influence (advertisement). HN is no different. They control the news, and how the news is displayed. They run the YCombinator venture capital fund. You do not pay them, but they control influence (advertising). I would expect different if I paid YC for news access... But…

That line is increasingly blurred. Premium(payed) services also data mine, and I find it increasingly difficult to tell to what extent. As long as you collect a trove of data, and that data has market value, I generally expect it to be sold/used for profit. Edit: grammar
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