Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Daily Stormer being dumped by GoDaddy, apparently seized by Anonymous

cbsnews.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

11–20 of 45 posts

Re: Daily Stormer being dumped by GoDaddy, apparently seized by Anonymous

#11

Post by iknow44 »

stinos wrote: post #9
iknow44 wrote: post #8

Freedom means freedom for anyone, including nazi, antifa, 4chan, voat.co and 8chan. We have to educated ourself to engage in discussion, i think when you look in internet bubbles/hugboxes. You don't talk to those people, you ignore or ban them like google did with 8chan or you can ridicule them calling them nazi or virgins/neckbeards. People won't allow any discussion and that will fuel rage, i mean real rage and can…

Freedom means freedom for anyone, including nazi, antifa, 4chan, voat.co and 8chan well sure, but doesn't freedom also mean you're allowed to select whether or not you want to host their websites?

sure, they can select, that's part of freedom. But if you are saying like google, duckduckgo, wikipedia, other "freedom sites" that you promote freedoom and free speech and then you just ban unpopular or sometimes wrong or nazi views, cutting the discussion and sometimes the chance to explain to other site your views/convince then you don't promote freedoom or free speech.

Re: Daily Stormer being dumped by GoDaddy, apparently seized by Anonymous

#12

Post by perpetualcrayon »

iknow44 wrote: post #8

Freedom means freedom for anyone, including nazi, antifa, 4chan, voat.co and 8chan. We have to educated ourself to engage in discussion, i think when you look in internet bubbles/hugboxes. You don't talk to those people, you ignore or ban them like google did with 8chan or you can ridicule them calling them nazi or virgins/neckbeards. People won't allow any discussion and that will fuel rage, i mean real rage and can…

What philosophical debate do you think you're going to have with a person who titles a blog post:

  Heather Heyer: Woman Killed in Road Rage Incident was a Fat, Childless 32-Year-Old Slut
What that guy needs is not acceptance. He needs a psychiatrist.

Re: Daily Stormer being dumped by GoDaddy, apparently seized by Anonymous

#13

Post by zimpenfish »

kuschku wrote: post #7
django-boy wrote: post #3

I read that article about the woman that was killed, what the actual fuck.

Honestly, it's not surprising. /r/the_donald, 4chan's /pol/ etc all had far worse responses to this situation. The article from the daily stormer, as horrible as it is, is ithe least offensive right-wing response to this that I've read yet. Everything else went even further. Now the big question is, why does reddit, a SV company, still support these groups on their site, and why did these groups form in first place.

> Now the big question is, why does reddit, a SV company, still support these groups on their site

I'm assuming you want a more nuanced answer than "because SV is libertarian white dude central"?

> why did these groups form in first place.

Oh, that's easy - because the US has been a racist country for decades and no-one has had the balls to stamp it out.

Re: Daily Stormer being dumped by GoDaddy, apparently seized by Anonymous

#14

Post by mejin »

I wounder if this is the start of a significantly less free internet. In the past if one site started censoring ideas, one could open up a new site to express those ideas. Now that a hosting site is removing a site for hateful ideas, I wounder what would come next. Maybe in the not so distant future, sites that publish mainstream Republican news will be removed from GoDaddy, or maybe sites that disagree with SOPA [1] or that shooting wild elephants is wrong[1].

While I think that posting an article titled "Heather Heyer: Woman Killed in Road Rage Incident was a Fat, Childless 32-Year-Old Slut" shows that you are a terrible person, there has to be a media for them to express their ideas. If the government wont "sell" domains directly to people then there should be a rule similar to net neutrality that will require private companies to treat all sites equal no matter how much they disagree with the idea. The alternative to that is to make sure that you don't post anything on your own website that will anger the domain name registras.

Who knows if in the future your idea will become an idea that many others disagree with.

[1] GoDaddy supported SOPA and their CEO hunted a wild elephant.

Re: Daily Stormer being dumped by GoDaddy, apparently seized by Anonymous

#15

Post by kuschku »

zimpenfish wrote: post #13
kuschku wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, it's not surprising. /r/the_donald, 4chan's /pol/ etc all had far worse responses to this situation. The article from the daily stormer, as horrible as it is, is ithe least offensive right-wing response to this that I've read yet. Everything else went even further. Now the big question is, why does reddit, a SV company, still support these groups on their site, and why did these groups form in first place.

> Now the big question is, why does reddit, a SV company, still support these groups on their site I'm assuming you want a more nuanced answer than "because SV is libertarian white dude central"? > why did these groups form in first place. Oh, that's easy - because the US has been a racist country for decades and no-one has had the balls to stamp it out.

> Oh, that's easy - because the US has been a racist country for decades and no-one has had the balls to stamp it out.

That explains why they exist, but not why new groups form today still.

Re: Daily Stormer being dumped by GoDaddy, apparently seized by Anonymous

#16

Post by zimpenfish »

mejin wrote: post #14

I wounder if this is the start of a significantly less free internet. In the past if one site started censoring ideas, one could open up a new site to express those ideas. Now that a hosting site is removing a site for hateful ideas, I wounder what would come next. Maybe in the not so distant future, sites that publish mainstream Republican news will be removed from GoDaddy, or maybe sites that disagree with SOPA [1]…

> there has to be a media for them to express their ideas.

No, there doesn't. Nazism had its chance. We fought a world war over it. I think popular opinion came down on the side of "hang Nazis and prevent this ever happening again."

> there should be a rule similar to net neutrality

Unfortunately, Trump and his cabinet are against net neutrality.

Re: Daily Stormer being dumped by GoDaddy, apparently seized by Anonymous

#17

Post by zimpenfish »

kuschku wrote: post #15
zimpenfish wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Now the big question is, why does reddit, a SV company, still support these groups on their site I'm assuming you want a more nuanced answer than "because SV is libertarian white dude central"? > why did these groups form in first place. Oh, that's easy - because the US has been a racist country for decades and no-one has had the balls to stamp it out.

> Oh, that's easy - because the US has been a racist country for decades and no-one has had the balls to stamp it out. That explains why they exist, but not why new groups form today still.

Well, they're not really new groups - militia and the klan have been around for decades. They just like giving themselves new names because, like all angry idiots, they start infighting and splintering from each other.

Although, yes, the GOP have been enabling and emboldening them for the last (at least 5 but really many more) years - now they have a whole bunch of people who support them in the WH that are dismantling anti-WS task forces etc.

Re: Daily Stormer being dumped by GoDaddy, apparently seized by Anonymous

#18

Post by heymijo »

Two things are swirling in my head: 1) Libraries and librarians are rabidly anti-censorship 2) The Supreme Court's ruling about pornography "I know it when I see it"

Libraries aren't cesspools of things titled "...a Fat, Childless 32-Year-Old-Slut" and yet subversive books have always been available.

Libraries/librarians seem to have figured out how to toe the line between freedom of speech and the kinds of hate-speech that caused GoDaddy to dump the Daily Stormer.

These are raw thoughts, but I'm wondering what we might be able to learn from the librarian ethos.

Re: Daily Stormer being dumped by GoDaddy, apparently seized by Anonymous

#19

Post by Turing_Machine »

zimpenfish wrote: post #16
mejin wrote: post #14

I wounder if this is the start of a significantly less free internet. In the past if one site started censoring ideas, one could open up a new site to express those ideas. Now that a hosting site is removing a site for hateful ideas, I wounder what would come next. Maybe in the not so distant future, sites that publish mainstream Republican news will be removed from GoDaddy, or maybe sites that disagree with SOPA [1]…

> there has to be a media for them to express their ideas. No, there doesn't. Nazism had its chance. We fought a world war over it. I think popular opinion came down on the side of "hang Nazis and prevent this ever happening again." > there should be a rule similar to net neutrality Unfortunately, Trump and his cabinet are against net neutrality.

> No, there doesn't. Nazism had its chance. We fought a world war over it.

As did Communism, and we fought a Cold War over that.

A "white nationalist" (apparently) ran someone over with his car, while a communist is currently threatening to nuke the United States. Nuking a country has to be worse than running over a single person, right? If not, why not?

Maybe next we can shut down all communist web sites.

After the communists, then we can move on to socialists of any kind. Then people who don't salute the flag. Then atheists. Then people who don't go to church on Sunday. Then...

This doesn't end up where you imagine that it ends up.

For example:

https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2017/08/14/co...

(note that I do not necessarily agree with this article)

Re: Daily Stormer being dumped by GoDaddy, apparently seized by Anonymous

#20

Post by zimpenfish »

Turing_Machine wrote: post #19
zimpenfish wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> there has to be a media for them to express their ideas. No, there doesn't. Nazism had its chance. We fought a world war over it. I think popular opinion came down on the side of "hang Nazis and prevent this ever happening again." > there should be a rule similar to net neutrality Unfortunately, Trump and his cabinet are against net neutrality.

> No, there doesn't. Nazism had its chance. We fought a world war over it. As did Communism, and we fought a Cold War over that. A "white nationalist" (apparently) ran someone over with his car, while a communist is currently threatening to nuke the United States. Nuking a country has to be worse than running over a single person, right? If not, why not? Maybe next we can shut down all communist web sites. After the…

> As did Communism, and we fought a Cold War over that.

You know this is a false equivalence - they're not even remotely comparable.

> a communist is currently threatening to nuke the United States [...] has to be worse than running over a single person

Again with the false equivalences.

Also I don't think Kim Jong-Un is a Communist - they have collective farms, sure, but the country is much more a dictatorship than anything.

Post reply on HN