Google engineer wrote his memo after he went to a shaming diversity program

Post by deanCommie » Thu, Aug 10, 2017, 4:02 PM UTC

jshevek wrote: post #4

deanCommie wrote: post #3

If you claim to be impartial and scientific, but go on to be publicly interviewed by an alt-right media member, you lose your credibility. If you claim to be impartial and scientific, but use terms like "virtue signaling", which are conservative straw men of liberals ("The only reason anyone would stand up for others is to prove that they are virtuous"), you lose your credibility.

Virtue signaling is a real phenomena. It doesn't matter how conservatives might sometimes use the term, it is a useful term for anyone - of any political persuasion - who wishes to refer to this behavior. Trying to invalidate words, and the concepts they refer to - by claiming their mere use destroys your credibility - strikes me as a subtle and nefarious form of thought control.

Conservatives have destroyed the meaning of the term by using it in every instance they see liberals agreeing with something they do not.

Post by deanCommie » Thu, Aug 10, 2017, 4:08 PM UTC

jshevek wrote: post #6

deanCommie wrote: post #3

If you claim to be impartial and scientific, but go on to be publicly interviewed by an alt-right media member, you lose your credibility. If you claim to be impartial and scientific, but use terms like "virtue signaling", which are conservative straw men of liberals ("The only reason anyone would stand up for others is to prove that they are virtuous"), you lose your credibility.

It seems to me that Jordan Peterson [0] is an interesting, thoughtful person who is very transparent about his personal journal to find meaning and understand... well, existence for lack of a better word. I highly recommend his podcasts. Dismissing him[1] as "alt-right" media does a terrible disservice to the spirit of learning and open inquiry. As for that other guy that interviewed him - meh. But if everyone in the…

I have very deeply conflicted feelings about Jordan Peterson. On the one hand, I agree with you that his own personal writing and stances are fairly transparent and reasonable.

On the other hand, he actively attracts and covets the deeply right fringes, and claims no responsibility when they use his stances for extremist viewpoints and attacks.

Example:

Jordan Peterson: "I think making mis-gendering someone a federal hate crime is a step too far and infringes free speech more than it protects trans people."

His supporters: "Yeah, FUCK TRANS PEOPLE!"

Jordan Peterson: ""

Re: Google engineer wrote his memo after he went to a shaming diversity program

Re: Google engineer wrote his memo after he went to a shaming diversity program