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Aadhaar: Ushering in a Commercialized Era of Surveillance in India

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Re: Aadhaar: Ushering in a Commercialized Era of Surveillance in India

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Indian left wing has been calling the current ruling party and the government "Fascist"[1] for a while now. So there is quite a bit of fear mongering regarding Adhar, as left suspects that govt. will eventually use this to crack down on the dissenting voices. But for those who don't share that opinion, this is part that needs attention, "The guidelines could have come earlier, and given large data leaks in the past may also be redundant. Nevertheless, it is reassuring to see practices for keeping information safe and the idea of positive informed consent being reinforced for government departments."ie, Though delayed, corrective measures are being taken.

1.http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/sita...

Re: Aadhaar: Ushering in a Commercialized Era of Surveillance in India

#12

Yet the irony is - The govt. will never dare to link it with voter registration. And no one questions, as everyone knows why!

I hope they don't. Do you even realize what you are talking about! If they did that, it is easy to conceive a system that can determine whom you voted for (at a certain level of confidence). That kind of information can have potentially harmful consequences for many.

Re: Aadhaar: Ushering in a Commercialized Era of Surveillance in India

#13

The pro: There have been significant fiscal benefits - fake personas have been completely eliminated in the welfare schemes that are aadhar linked, saving a lot for the taxpayers. The con: Government has all your biometrics, and can technically mine data from connected services to build a very detailed profile of you (hypothetically). IMO, both sides have valid points, and so it ends up being about which side the rul…

> There have been significant fiscal benefits - fake personas have been completely eliminated in the welfare schemes that are aadhar linked, saving a lot for the taxpayers.

I'm deeply suspicious of any unqualified statements. It is extremely hard, if not impossible to prove your proposition.

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Indian left wing has been calling the current ruling party and the government "Fascist"[1] for a while now. So there is quite a bit of fear mongering regarding Adhar, as left suspects that govt. will eventually use this to crack down on the dissenting voices. But for those who don't share that opinion, this is part that needs attention, "The guidelines could have come earlier, and given large data leaks in the past m…

It's real and existential threat, given Indian govt is lousy when it comes to data protection. Indeed all aadhaar data is floating in many corporations especially the one supporting current govt. No laws on its misuse and govt cannot be taken to court. Indeed by blaming and divisive politics current govt is very capable to divert attention from real issue and blame left and calls all those opposing it enemies.

Re: Aadhaar: Ushering in a Commercialized Era of Surveillance in India

#15

Indian left wing has been calling the current ruling party and the government "Fascist"[1] for a while now. So there is quite a bit of fear mongering regarding Adhar, as left suspects that govt. will eventually use this to crack down on the dissenting voices. But for those who don't share that opinion, this is part that needs attention, "The guidelines could have come earlier, and given large data leaks in the past m…

It's real and existential threat, given Indian govt is lousy when it comes to data protection. Indeed all aadhaar data is floating in many corporations especially the one supporting current govt. No laws on its misuse and govt cannot be taken to court. Indeed by blaming and divisive politics current govt is very capable to divert attention from real issue and blame left and calls all those opposing it enemies.

You have no idea what you are talking about my biased friend.

Re: Aadhaar: Ushering in a Commercialized Era of Surveillance in India

#16
From the article:

> However, unlike countries where similar schemes have been implemented, invasive bio-metric collection is being imposed as a condition for basic entitlements in India

Remember: India has a unique set of challenges to overcome if it has to survive and prosper as a nation. It is surrounded by not-so-amenable neighbors and with cross-border infiltration at a constant strategy used against India ("death by thousand cuts").[1]

And almost 20 million Bangladeshis have illegally crossed over from the eastern border [2] [3] and (unfortunately, reportedly getting Aadhar cards through whatever means, which defeats the purpose if it is true), for a country of a billion odd people at risk with such high uncertainty profile - the requirement to identify at least their own citizens vs the intruders/ offenders becomes a strategic and security action from the government perspective.

I think we would be in wrong to compare the "right to privacy" in this scenario to that of the more developed nations that are pretty much geographically blessed/ isolated, population wise less dense, religiously homogenous and technologically advanced as such that they can track covertly vis-a-vis getting biometric details directly. In fact, the Supreme Court of India has observed that [4] "Supreme Court asks if right to privacy is absolute?"

[1] https://www.pgurus.com/india-superpower-or-balkanized-war-zo... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_India#H... [3] http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Two-crore-Banglades... [4] http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/privacy-not-absolute-s...

Re: Aadhaar: Ushering in a Commercialized Era of Surveillance in India

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post #12

Yet the irony is - The govt. will never dare to link it with voter registration. And no one questions, as everyone knows why!

I hope they don't. Do you even realize what you are talking about! If they did that, it is easy to conceive a system that can determine whom you voted for (at a certain level of confidence). That kind of information can have potentially harmful consequences for many.

You don't need to link your vote to aadhaar. Vote can be anonymized, but polling booths can still check and identify voters using aadhaar and easily avoid duplicate votes & rigging.

Re: Aadhaar: Ushering in a Commercialized Era of Surveillance in India

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope they don't. Do you even realize what you are talking about! If they did that, it is easy to conceive a system that can determine whom you voted for (at a certain level of confidence). That kind of information can have potentially harmful consequences for many.

You don't need to link your vote to aadhaar. Vote can be anonymized, but polling booths can still check and identify voters using aadhaar and easily avoid duplicate votes & rigging.

^ wholeheartedly agree.

Re: Aadhaar: Ushering in a Commercialized Era of Surveillance in India

#19

The pro: There have been significant fiscal benefits - fake personas have been completely eliminated in the welfare schemes that are aadhar linked, saving a lot for the taxpayers. The con: Government has all your biometrics, and can technically mine data from connected services to build a very detailed profile of you (hypothetically). IMO, both sides have valid points, and so it ends up being about which side the rul…

Most (all?) savings claims by govt are at best projected numbers. For those interested in an analysis of the savings claim and some of the other myths propagated by govt, see the 3 part analysis by Anand ( https://twitter.com/iam_anandv ) linked below Part 1 - https://www.medianama.com/2017/04/223-nandan-nilekani-aadhaa... Part 2 - http://www.medianama.com/2017/04/223-aadhaar-nandan-nilekani... Part 3 - https://www.m…

Your post needs more visibility. I've taken the liberty to post it as a direct comment.

Re: Aadhaar: Ushering in a Commercialized Era of Surveillance in India

#20
Repeating the comment by @tryprasannan

Most (all?) savings claims by govt are at best projected numbers. For those interested in an analysis of the savings claim and some of the other myths propagated by govt, see the 3 part analysis by Anand (https://twitter.com/iam_anandv) linked below

Part 1 - https://www.medianama.com/2017/04/223-nandan-nilekani-aadhaa...

Part 2 - https://www.medianama.com/2017/06/223-aadhaar-lpg-scheme/

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