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Why Parents Hate Parenting

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Re: Why Parents Hate Parenting

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It's a lot of work. I think that's exacerbated by modern lifestyles. We're pulled in a thousand directions and we're less likely to live near relatives, which means that the support systems are not there like they used to be. Kids demand you . Simple things like watching them playing is huge for them. If you try to understand what they're saying (already at a few months old), you'll be surprised to find it pretty cog…

It's a lot of work, but not because of lifestyle. In reading the article you see that parents, now, spend more time with their kids than previous generations. But kids are coddled more than ever. Between shuttling them to school, soccer practice, and piano lessons it seems like the parents have decided to give themselves these tasks and are surprised! when they don't have anytime for do what they want.

If anything I learned from the article it's these parents are wimps. The kid almost takes the father's eye out and the strongest punishment is a timeout?! The mother has to ask her son to do his homework?! I guess my family is old school, but throwing anything at my mom would have my ass on ice. And if she has to ask twice, that computer would be gone.

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Of course, this should not be a surprise. If you are no longer fretting about spending too little time with your children after they’re born (because you have a year of paid maternity leave), if you’re no longer anxious about finding affordable child care once you go back to work (because the state subsidizes it), if you’re no longer wondering how to pay for your children’s education and health care (because they’re…

This is contradicted elsewhere in the article by the observation that families who could afford more childcare were _not_ necessarily happier.

But things like paternity leave, maternity leave, requiring employers to consider flexible working -- these kind of things Europe is doing are far more family friendly than the republican party.

The family values line of "mothers should stay at home" espoused by Pat Robertson et al. probably is better than both parents working, however much childcare you can afford.

No reason it has to be the mother though. And the actual family values line is in conflict with Republican views on work. This conflict is partly historic (Protestant work ethic), but partly an interesting indictment of the hypocrisy of the religious rights' support for the Republican party. Their focus on only a few moral issues does a great disservice to the actual morality of the nation. They say mothers should stay home, but support a party who's economic policies make that impossible.

Re: Why Parents Hate Parenting

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Parenting is about showing the kid his boundaries.

And by showing the boundaries I don't mean canonically forbidding all nice things and always being "the bad guy". Limits and boundaries have a bad rap in some literature.

The concept of boundaries is universal: boundaries don't enforce anyone to choose one option over another: they just enforce one to choose. Showing the kid his boundaries is not an easy undertaking but on the other hand it is something we all do to each other everyday. At work, at home, with friends, with kids.

By letting one make choices—which is enforced by setting and keeping the boundaries—allows him to gradually learn about himself, and eventually grow to change himself.

Boundaries change as a person grows: first, with a toddler it might be about not gaining anything by hitting or throwing things, not merely being forbidden or removed from throwing things around. Later it might be about deferred gratification: if the child chooses to have everything right away now and the boundaries stick, thus enforcing proper consequences of the kids choice, he will gradually learn that in the long run he gets less by having everything immediately. In adulthood, showing boundaries might be about saying no to someone known to ask around for favours, rarely returning them. The refusal will force him to consider his options: he must either do this or that but no longer both, as he can't get other people to do work for him anymore.

A parent can't change the kid's mind nor himself make the kid a good adult. The kid is a person of his own anyway. A parent can only show boundaries and hope that he manages to be a mirror to the kid's behavior well enough so that the kid will learn something.

Re: Why Parents Hate Parenting

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Like everything in life, the thought of doing it, trumps the actual doing it. Finishing the basement, writing a novel, building the next great web app, raising kids all seem like great projects to embark on. But it's the dark night of the soul, when you're up for the 10 night in a row (or you have writer's block or you realize you shouldn't have cut that pipe, etc, etc). Life isn't all rainbows and unicorns. Speaking…

Very true.

My wife and I are lucky, in a way. She's Italian. Like, born Italian, speaks Italian, lives Italian. Okay, she lives in Montreal, but damnit, call her a Frenchy and she'll punch me hard enough in that spot on the arm that she knows will get a reaction.

Anyways, we live next door to her great-grandmother (nona), and below her Mother and Father. I swear, her sisters are over often enough that it's normal. Her older sister lived at home till she was 25/26 and got married. Only then did she move out. My wife did the same thing. For them, their entire culture, this is normal. Lawyers living at home with their parents, not batting an eye. This is normal.

Now, I'm American. 18, and I'm out the house, fending for myself. Seeing my cousins was something I did every few years (being a military brat didn't help, neither did parents getting a divorce).

My wife sees her cousins all the time. Weekly. Not all the cousins, but often enough that again, it's normal. It's not some super special event.

What's all this getting to? There is a point, I promise.

Anyways, we had our first son in 2008, and our second is due the end of the month, beginning of August (yay!). Raising our son has been a joy. Ignoring the fact that he is a very laid back and very happy child, having parents/grand parent next door and upstairs, and a very close knit family always present meant raising him wasn't difficult. Couple this with the fact that Quebec hands you a years paid maternity (if you are working, of course), and it's pretty smooth sailing. We could still go out occasionally, assured that the grandparents would take good care of our child.

If we assistance, we literally knocked on the wall, and they'd come over.

Oh, we did our part. We didn't rely on them. And they took advantage, too. When they needed to go to the market, my wife was able to take them instead of having to take the bus or walk. All very practical.

So, you ask a good question: > I just can't imagine how grandma raised 9 kids with no ER or acute care and little money.

And I give you an answer: Family.

It's odd. My family loved me, they cared for me, but family to me before I met my wife was immediate. I didn't see grandparents but maybe one a year on Christmas or Thanksgiving. I grew up away from cousins, and at 18, expected to have to go out on my own.

My family wasn't bad. But in my wife's family, I fully realize how other cultures see family.

I look at my brother, living in the US, married, with a second child on the way. I won't go into to many details, but they are struggling, but they get very little support from family. They live almost 2 hours from my father, but rarely see him (compared to how often I see my wives family members), and they get little help from his wives family.

This probably comes from the American cultural of independence. You make it or break it on your own skill, and asking or getting help is seen as a weakness. Children are thrown to the wolves at 18 and expected to thrive. Some do. Many don't.

My son is happy. He makes his parents happy. He's constantly surrounded by people that love him. Parenting is a joy, and we are in a good place. Our biggest worries are silly when we think about them (seriously, we worry about the stupidest things, and laugh about them when we realize what we are worrying about).

I'm not religious, but that doesn't mean I can't feel blessed.

Re: Why Parents Hate Parenting

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post #8

Of course, this should not be a surprise. If you are no longer fretting about spending too little time with your children after they’re born (because you have a year of paid maternity leave), if you’re no longer anxious about finding affordable child care once you go back to work (because the state subsidizes it), if you’re no longer wondering how to pay for your children’s education and health care (because they’re…

This is contradicted elsewhere in the article by the observation that families who could afford more childcare were _not_ necessarily happier.

This has more to do with higher parental expectations, coming out of the general climate of economic insecurity in the United States. Upper-middle-class parents can hire maids to do some of the chores, but raising children is still exhausting in a society where young people have to be in the right track from preschool in order to have a decent shot at getting anywhere in life.

I don't think the type-A helicopter parents who insist on their children matriculating to elite pre-schools/boarding schools/colleges are that way because they expect their child to be the next Mozart. Obviously, there are some parents like that, but they exist in every society. Most of the parents who drive their children so relentlessly to be overachievers are that way because they realize what happens, in this country, to those who fall off of the elite track.

Re: Why Parents Hate Parenting

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Like everything in life, the thought of doing it, trumps the actual doing it. Finishing the basement, writing a novel, building the next great web app, raising kids all seem like great projects to embark on. But it's the dark night of the soul, when you're up for the 10 night in a row (or you have writer's block or you realize you shouldn't have cut that pipe, etc, etc). Life isn't all rainbows and unicorns. Speaking…

Very true. My wife and I are lucky, in a way. She's Italian. Like, born Italian, speaks Italian, lives Italian. Okay, she lives in Montreal, but damnit, call her a Frenchy and she'll punch me hard enough in that spot on the arm that she knows will get a reaction. Anyways, we live next door to her great-grandmother (nona), and below her Mother and Father. I swear, her sisters are over often enough that it's normal. He…

On the opposite end of the spectrum: We're expecting our first child in six weeks. My wife's sister lives two hours away... and every other member of our families lives thousands of miles away, in France and the UK. I have to admit it's a little daunting.

Re: Why Parents Hate Parenting

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post #15

A time out in his crib? No wonder she hates parenting. If I threw shit at my parents it would have gotten me the mother of all whoopings.

I don't think using pain to control a child's behaviour is good parenting.

I'm sorry you where abused.

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