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This video makes me think I've been underestimating the consciousness of some animals.

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Re: This video makes me think I've been underestimating the consciousness of some animals.

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The "mirror self-recognition task" used in cog dev involves placing children in front of a mirror with a red dot on their forehead. Up until a certain age the baby treats the image as if it's another child and tries to interact and play with it. However, the older babies will realize that they are looking at themselves and will reach up to pull the sticker off their forehead.

They have done the same thing with chimpanzees and elephants and it's really cool to watch the videos. You see the chimpanzee try to attack its reflection at first, but then it slowly figures it out and starts grooming its hair and checking out its teeth and stuff. (And then peeling the sticker off its forehead.)

Here is a series of YouTube videos on this:

http://youtube.com/results?search_query=mirror+self-recognit...

Re: This video makes me think I've been underestimating the consciousness of some animals.

#12

The "mirror self-recognition task" used in cog dev involves placing children in front of a mirror with a red dot on their forehead. Up until a certain age the baby treats the image as if it's another child and tries to interact and play with it. However, the older babies will realize that they are looking at themselves and will reach up to pull the sticker off their forehead. They have done the same thing with chimpa…

I've seen some of those videos before. I believe the chimp was called betty, but nevertheless, they gave it/her make up and it started drawing on itself using the mirror as a guide. Another clip showed it immitating one of the handlers putting make up on and it started using lipstick on its lip, instead of its face.

Re: This video makes me think I've been underestimating the consciousness of some animals.

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To be honest this is far less interesting than the things elephants do in the wild.

Aside from the usual stuff humans like about some animals, like pair bonding, raising their young and living as a family, and being very social with each other and even other species (including humans), there are a lot of other human-like traits of elephants. Elephants have astonishingly long memories (it's a wives tale that turns out to be true). They'll pause on the spot where loved ones have died, even many years later, and groups will console each other after a loss--having a funeral of sorts. They remember humans who have been cruel or kind to them in the past, and behave accordingly. They communicate vocally and are known to express a range of concepts this way--not just warnings, but also greetings, calls, and "names" (unique identifiers specific to each elephant). And, recently humans "asked" elephants to carry cameras into the forest for them, to help study tigers. Since elephants and tigers are on peaceful terms (what's a tiger gonna do to an animal that could crush it with one foot?) it worked well, and some amazing footage resulted.

Given all of this, it shouldn't be at all surprising that an elephant could be trained to paint a particular picture. It is rather unfortunate that it takes something like this to impress tourists of the intelligence of one of our closest intellectual peers, when elephants have so many more fascinating traits and ways of exhibiting impressive intelligence.

Re: This video makes me think I've been underestimating the consciousness of some animals.

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To be honest this is far less interesting than the things elephants do in the wild. Aside from the usual stuff humans like about some animals, like pair bonding, raising their young and living as a family, and being very social with each other and even other species (including humans), there are a lot of other human-like traits of elephants. Elephants have astonishingly long memories (it's a wives tale that turns out…

I agree 100%. The things animals do in the wild are much more fascinating especially when you consider techniques that humans do not grasp.

The video is interesting but misleading. I would highly doubt that the elephant has a clue as to what it's painting. Elephants have an incredible memory and amazing dexterity, those two things coupled together makes it likely that the elephant is painting from memory. The elephant also demonstrates some advanced painting skills that i'm sure it was taught. I would be more impressed of some cave paintings done in wild naturally by animals.

That being said, it's still a pretty neat video.

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