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Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

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Re: Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

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A lot of creators I appreciate use Patreon, so I signed up to donate to them. They started sending me spam emails. It was like I was paying extra (giving Patreon a cut) for the privilege of getting annoying emails. Now I just donate directly to the creators, and I have a checklist that I go through every month.

I think something like Patreon is a great idea, but having a centralized company handle it and take a cut is not the way to go about it.

Re: Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

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I like patreon but at the same time I'm a bit uncomfortable with how the interaction aspect of it sometimes works. Lots of artists are essentially charging for interaction with them rather than a product. From the article: "In this system, it’s almost impossible to separate a work of art from its creator — or, at least, its creator’s public persona. Is there a future for someone who wants to be a musician, but not a…

> Is there a future for someone who wants to be a musician, but not a personality?

There are tons of edm producers who don't cultivate much of a public personality, but even then, there is a lot of behind-the-scenes networking that goes on.

Being a professional artist has always been about cultivating relationships with people who have money. Whether it's wealthy patrons, or people who own record labels or galleries, or event promoters, etc.

Re: Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

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post #11

A lot of creators I appreciate use Patreon, so I signed up to donate to them. They started sending me spam emails. It was like I was paying extra (giving Patreon a cut) for the privilege of getting annoying emails. Now I just donate directly to the creators, and I have a checklist that I go through every month. I think something like Patreon is a great idea, but having a centralized company handle it and take a cut i…

Do you they not offer an unsubscribe option?

Re: Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

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post #11

A lot of creators I appreciate use Patreon, so I signed up to donate to them. They started sending me spam emails. It was like I was paying extra (giving Patreon a cut) for the privilege of getting annoying emails. Now I just donate directly to the creators, and I have a checklist that I go through every month. I think something like Patreon is a great idea, but having a centralized company handle it and take a cut i…

Do you they not offer an unsubscribe option?

They do, but I don't like supporting services that opt you in to spam automatically.

Re: Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

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post #11

A lot of creators I appreciate use Patreon, so I signed up to donate to them. They started sending me spam emails. It was like I was paying extra (giving Patreon a cut) for the privilege of getting annoying emails. Now I just donate directly to the creators, and I have a checklist that I go through every month. I think something like Patreon is a great idea, but having a centralized company handle it and take a cut i…

Do you they not offer an unsubscribe option?

The default is to email you every time someone you support publishes anything on Patreon. You turn this off, but the annoying thing is that you need to turn it off separately for each person you support.

Re: Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

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Unless I'm missing something, they seem to only have a monthly contribution model.

There are many times where I find a content creator helpful (for example a video tutorial on how to fix my broken washing machine), and I'd like to reward them. But I don't want to do it monthly, as I'll probably never watch another thing from them. So I'd like to be able to easily leave a one-time tip.

Can Patreon do this, and it's just not obvious?

Re: Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

#17

Unless I'm missing something, they seem to only have a monthly contribution model. There are many times where I find a content creator helpful (for example a video tutorial on how to fix my broken washing machine), and I'd like to reward them. But I don't want to do it monthly, as I'll probably never watch another thing from them. So I'd like to be able to easily leave a one-time tip. Can Patreon do this, and it's ju…

Sign up then immediately cancel? One month's payment should go through.

Re: Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

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Unless I'm missing something, they seem to only have a monthly contribution model. There are many times where I find a content creator helpful (for example a video tutorial on how to fix my broken washing machine), and I'd like to reward them. But I don't want to do it monthly, as I'll probably never watch another thing from them. So I'd like to be able to easily leave a one-time tip. Can Patreon do this, and it's ju…

Hate to sound pessimistic to your well-intentioned suggestion, but if someone prefers not to support a creator monthly/regularly, then they are unfortunately choosing not to support them sustainably. I feel strongly that to ask for one-off giving is to ask for a badly designed system. People can't dedicate their output to creating value for you when they're living off a tip-jar. Consistency is the key to backgrounding the profit-motive, and allowing for the creativity you've probably come to appreciate in their work :)

Disclaimer: quit my job to contribute to Gittip community, and have lots of a thoughts and feels on the patron/gratitude economy

Re: Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

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post #2

I like patreon but at the same time I'm a bit uncomfortable with how the interaction aspect of it sometimes works. Lots of artists are essentially charging for interaction with them rather than a product. From the article: "In this system, it’s almost impossible to separate a work of art from its creator — or, at least, its creator’s public persona. Is there a future for someone who wants to be a musician, but not a…

> Is there a future for someone who wants to be a musician, but not a personality? There are tons of edm producers who don't cultivate much of a public personality, but even then, there is a lot of behind-the-scenes networking that goes on. Being a professional artist has always been about cultivating relationships with people who have money. Whether it's wealthy patrons, or people who own record labels or galleries,…

One might even argue that being a professional anything (at least, a successful one at it) is about cultivating relationships with people who either have money (investors), have network, or have power (to hire you, etc.). This applies even for software engineers. Even the greatest software engineers in the world won't get very far by just sending job applications on a job listing site.

Re: Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

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post #11

A lot of creators I appreciate use Patreon, so I signed up to donate to them. They started sending me spam emails. It was like I was paying extra (giving Patreon a cut) for the privilege of getting annoying emails. Now I just donate directly to the creators, and I have a checklist that I go through every month. I think something like Patreon is a great idea, but having a centralized company handle it and take a cut i…

> having a centralized company handle it and take a cut is not the way to go about it

Any suggestions, given the "tipjar" model doesn't seem to cut it (as per the article)?

Personally, I like it (especially as a consumer). One bill per month for as many artists I want to support on the platform, one location to look up updates, and emails only when the artist themselves posts something (and the monthly bill). I imagine that, as an artist, losing that 5% cut is fine for not having to deal with CC fees, chargebacks, account transfers, and so forth.

I dont' find the emails I receive via Patreon onerous, myself. Especially when I'm explicitly supporting the artists triggering the emails. Perhaps I'm just supporting fewer artists, or clicked the right account boxes.

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