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Re: The next wave of programming languages

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Post by euroclydon »

vollmond wrote: post #4
euroclydon wrote: post #3

I found Kodu very interesting. It's a graphical programming language by Microsoft Labs, that allows kids to create games. It runs on the XBox and uses only the XBox controller. The XBox part turned me off right away, because that's the last thing I need in my house while we're homeschooling our children, however, I found a free academic version that runs on the PC: http://fuse.microsoft.com/projects-kodu.html

Out of curiosity, why would having an XBox in your home be a problem? I was homeschooled (though only in high school) with several consoles in our house, and it doesn't seem to have been a problem. I wasn't allowed to goof off school time on video games any more than I could have played my Game Boy in a public school classroom. edit: I suppose a more clear question would be: What is it specific to homeschooling that…

I have a suspicion that "screen time" whether it be TV, videos or games, has a detrimental affect on: attention span, tranquility and susceptibility to advertisements and psychological mass-manipulation in general.

Re: The next wave of programming languages

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Post by j_baker »

Programming language authors really need to learn how to make a website. Look at Ruby's: http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/

No long explanations about what it means for Ruby to be a dynamic, object-oriented language. I don't have to read its author's paper or book to get it. Just a short code snippet to show me what it looks like and several links so I can learn more.

Re: The next wave of programming languages

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Post by rdtsc »

Interesting languages not on the list:

* io : http://www.iolanguage.com

      Clean, minimalistic, prototype based OO.
* Reia : http://wiki.reia-lang.org

       Ruby-like syntax on Erlang's VM
* Curry : http://www-ps.informatik.uni-kiel.de/currywiki

      Functional logic language :  Prolog+Haskell.
* Oz/Mozart : http://www.mozart-oz.org

      Multi-multi paradigm language, includes constraint based programming.
Some of them are not necessarily up-and-coming but rather out-and-going. Oz is interesting, but it seems to be dying. Some like Reia are making slow progress. Curry is more of an academic language. io is probably the most up-and-coming so to speak.

Re: The next wave of programming languages

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Post by watmough »

euroclydon wrote: post #11
vollmond wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity, why would having an XBox in your home be a problem? I was homeschooled (though only in high school) with several consoles in our house, and it doesn't seem to have been a problem. I wasn't allowed to goof off school time on video games any more than I could have played my Game Boy in a public school classroom. edit: I suppose a more clear question would be: What is it specific to homeschooling that…

I have a suspicion that "screen time" whether it be TV, videos or games, has a detrimental affect on: attention span, tranquility and susceptibility to advertisements and psychological mass-manipulation in general.

Yes, me too.

Meanwhile, back in reality, my wife complains when I ask her to mute the booming commercials in the latest USA Network cop show.

Sadly, legislators are not specialized enough to grasp the notions of loudness and compression in commercials so they could be legislated out of existence.

Re: The next wave of programming languages

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Post by warfangle »

zephyrfalcon wrote: post #5
warfangle wrote: post #2

Newspeak looks really fascinating. Relavent paper: http://bracha.org/newspeak.pdf

Yeah, but that picture on the website doesn't really make me want to try it, benefits of the language nothwithstanding... :-( ( http://bracha.org/Site/Newspeak.html )

That's why I linked to the whitepaper, instead of the author's site's entry on the language. Other responses have linked to the project's main page.

Wondering why I got downvoted? Should I have vacuumed it into scribd?

Re: The next wave of programming languages

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Post by timwiseman »

euroclydon wrote: post #11
vollmond wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity, why would having an XBox in your home be a problem? I was homeschooled (though only in high school) with several consoles in our house, and it doesn't seem to have been a problem. I wasn't allowed to goof off school time on video games any more than I could have played my Game Boy in a public school classroom. edit: I suppose a more clear question would be: What is it specific to homeschooling that…

I have a suspicion that "screen time" whether it be TV, videos or games, has a detrimental affect on: attention span, tranquility and susceptibility to advertisements and psychological mass-manipulation in general.

I suspect it matters very much what is on that screen. Music videos and action movies are practically designed for people with ADHD. Many video games are the same way.

On the other hand, there are some high quality documentaries and prerecorded college lecturers will not hav ethe issues you describe and as an avid (though very bad) GO player I personally feel that there is very little difference between playing on a screen and playing in front of a board.

Re: The next wave of programming languages

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Post by vdoma »

rdtsc wrote: post #14

Interesting languages not on the list: * io : http://www.iolanguage.com Clean, minimalistic, prototype based OO. * Reia : http://wiki.reia-lang.org Ruby-like syntax on Erlang's VM * Curry : http://www-ps.informatik.uni-kiel.de/currywiki Functional logic language : Prolog+Haskell. * Oz/Mozart : http://www.mozart-oz.org Multi-multi paradigm language, includes constraint based programming. Some of them are not necessari…

Falcon (http://www.falconpl.org/) seems interesting too.

Re: The next wave of programming languages

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Post by Goladus »

acangiano wrote: post #8
zephyrfalcon wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but that picture on the website doesn't really make me want to try it, benefits of the language nothwithstanding... :-( ( http://bracha.org/Site/Newspeak.html )

Don't downvote him. He is absolutely right. The picture on that page is a major WTF and it doesn't offer a great first impression to the visitor interested in the language.

I downvoted it because, whether he's right or not, the comment and resulting discussion of uncooked food isn't worth 8 points.

Re: The next wave of programming languages

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Post by [deleted] »

vollmond wrote: post #4
euroclydon wrote: post #3

I found Kodu very interesting. It's a graphical programming language by Microsoft Labs, that allows kids to create games. It runs on the XBox and uses only the XBox controller. The XBox part turned me off right away, because that's the last thing I need in my house while we're homeschooling our children, however, I found a free academic version that runs on the PC: http://fuse.microsoft.com/projects-kodu.html

Out of curiosity, why would having an XBox in your home be a problem? I was homeschooled (though only in high school) with several consoles in our house, and it doesn't seem to have been a problem. I wasn't allowed to goof off school time on video games any more than I could have played my Game Boy in a public school classroom. edit: I suppose a more clear question would be: What is it specific to homeschooling that…

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