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Scientists Edge Closer To Lab Test For Chronic Fatigue Syndrome

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Re: Scientists Edge Closer To Lab Test For Chronic Fatigue Syndrome

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Post by shrewduser »

revscat wrote: post #6

Can I ask an honest, albeit admittedly cynical, question? In a world run by libertarian capitalists, what good comes from such studies? I know such things can be used to determine policy. But let's say that in turns out cytokines do, in fact, cause CFS, and that -- for the sake of argument -- banning them would be a good thing. How would this newfound knowledge go from being something known to having action taken upo…

Ideology is a funny thing, I often identify as a libertarian but the American definition seems bizarre to me.

For me it's a definition of a governments or institutions place in an economy. Put simply their only remit is to address market failure.

You could probably call me a classical liberal I suppose

Re: Scientists Edge Closer To Lab Test For Chronic Fatigue Syndrome

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Post by atomical »

revscat wrote: post #6

Can I ask an honest, albeit admittedly cynical, question? In a world run by libertarian capitalists, what good comes from such studies? I know such things can be used to determine policy. But let's say that in turns out cytokines do, in fact, cause CFS, and that -- for the sake of argument -- banning them would be a good thing. How would this newfound knowledge go from being something known to having action taken upo…

They are produced by the body. Your comment is truly off topic because it has nothing to do with the article.

Re: Scientists Edge Closer To Lab Test For Chronic Fatigue Syndrome

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Post by inopinatus »

revscat wrote: post #6

Can I ask an honest, albeit admittedly cynical, question? In a world run by libertarian capitalists, what good comes from such studies? I know such things can be used to determine policy. But let's say that in turns out cytokines do, in fact, cause CFS, and that -- for the sake of argument -- banning them would be a good thing. How would this newfound knowledge go from being something known to having action taken upo…

I think you've misunderstood the science in this article. You can't ban cytokines - they're endogenous; a signalling protein produced by many of your cells as part of the immune response.

Re: Scientists Edge Closer To Lab Test For Chronic Fatigue Syndrome

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Post by atomical »

pfisch wrote: post #10
revscat wrote: post #6

Can I ask an honest, albeit admittedly cynical, question? In a world run by libertarian capitalists, what good comes from such studies? I know such things can be used to determine policy. But let's say that in turns out cytokines do, in fact, cause CFS, and that -- for the sake of argument -- banning them would be a good thing. How would this newfound knowledge go from being something known to having action taken upo…

Are you a bot or a real person? How could you ban cytokines? That doesn't even mean anything to the point where I'm not sure you are a human author.

I suspected the same thing.

Re: Scientists Edge Closer To Lab Test For Chronic Fatigue Syndrome

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Post by zkms »

revscat wrote: post #6

Can I ask an honest, albeit admittedly cynical, question? In a world run by libertarian capitalists, what good comes from such studies? I know such things can be used to determine policy. But let's say that in turns out cytokines do, in fact, cause CFS, and that -- for the sake of argument -- banning them would be a good thing. How would this newfound knowledge go from being something known to having action taken upo…

> But let's say that in turns out cytokines do, in fact, cause CFS, and that -- for the sake of argument -- banning them would be a good thing.

> banning cytokines

Cytokines are endogenous. I fail to see what "banning cytokines" could even mean.

Re: Scientists Edge Closer To Lab Test For Chronic Fatigue Syndrome

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Post by dEnigma »

revscat wrote: post #6

Can I ask an honest, albeit admittedly cynical, question? In a world run by libertarian capitalists, what good comes from such studies? I know such things can be used to determine policy. But let's say that in turns out cytokines do, in fact, cause CFS, and that -- for the sake of argument -- banning them would be a good thing. How would this newfound knowledge go from being something known to having action taken upo…

Cytokines are actually produced by the human immune system, so banning them wouldn't do much good. See the slides linked in the article[0]

Unless you were making a joke, in which case I didn't get it.

[0]http://www2.nau.edu/~fpm/immunology/lectures/Chapter012.pdf

Re: Scientists Edge Closer To Lab Test For Chronic Fatigue Syndrome

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Post by mudil »

I am an MD, born in Russia, but did medical school here in the United States. All the same, people constantly ask about the Russian medicine, and so I was recently asked if we have fibromyalgia in Russia. My answer was that I don't know about fibromyalgia. But what I know is that half of the psychotropic drugs that people are prescribed in this country we only give to political prisoners in Russia.

Re: Scientists Edge Closer To Lab Test For Chronic Fatigue Syndrome

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Post by Mz »

There are an awful lot of online discussion groups for various medical problems. It is not uncommon for members to share new research in hopes of better understanding their own condition. In some cases, they are pursuing alternative remedies because conventional treatment and proven science are failing them so badly. Getting solid information about what is likely actually happening in their own body can be empowering.

It isn't the sort of thing most policy makers or business makers want to hear. People in such positions tend to be incredibly controlling and actively against the idea of empowering patients to take better care of themselves through better understanding of their condition. But it is actually a low cost, effective way to get better quality of life in the face of coping with a chronic, likely incurable, condition.

Written in reply to this, which is now dead, so I cant post it there: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14896446

Re: Scientists Edge Closer To Lab Test For Chronic Fatigue Syndrome

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Post by pault »

mudil wrote: post #17

I am an MD, born in Russia, but did medical school here in the United States. All the same, people constantly ask about the Russian medicine, and so I was recently asked if we have fibromyalgia in Russia. My answer was that I don't know about fibromyalgia. But what I know is that half of the psychotropic drugs that people are prescribed in this country we only give to political prisoners in Russia.

Can you elaborate? Why are political prisoners medicated?

Re: Scientists Edge Closer To Lab Test For Chronic Fatigue Syndrome

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Post by dEnigma »

mudil wrote: post #17

I am an MD, born in Russia, but did medical school here in the United States. All the same, people constantly ask about the Russian medicine, and so I was recently asked if we have fibromyalgia in Russia. My answer was that I don't know about fibromyalgia. But what I know is that half of the psychotropic drugs that people are prescribed in this country we only give to political prisoners in Russia.

How do you know this? Has the Russian government a public list of psychotropic drugs it uses on its political prisoners?
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