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Judge Rules Milwaukee Flouted U.S. Constitution in Response to Pokemon Go Craze

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Re: Judge Rules Milwaukee Flouted U.S. Constitution in Response to Pokemon Go Craze

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Post by badgers »

jmcdiesel wrote: post #3

Funny how for the longest time now, cities and counties take more and more money from public parks citing their underuse... then when they get used, they cry out legally to stop the use. Part of the costs of a park is cleaning up after people, its already in the budget. So is the landscaping. So is the coverage for wear and tear in general. Its also funny to see the difference. National Park Service embraces Pokemon…

For some background into the phenomenon that was Lake Park last summer, there was a large concentration of Pokestops around Lake Park in a relatively small area. In Pokemon GO there are geographic boundaries that make up biomes in the game which determine which Pokemon to spawn, for instance if you're near a source of water there is a high chance you will encounter water Pokemon. Lake Park appeared to not have any biome, which led to anything from the game being able to appear, including more rare types of Pokemon. Pokemon GO also has something called a lure module that players can place down which will attract more Pokemon to a Pokestop for 15 minutes. All these factors working together caused a massive influx of players to Lake Park from players from the greater Milwaukee and nearby Waukesha counties.

The area surrounding Lake park has affluent people living around there (homes valued in the range of $500k - $950k), and the Lake Park Bistro upscale restaurant was just north of the park with the largest parking lot closest to the concentration of Pokestops. Prior to Pokemon GO it was a quiet area with a great view of Lake Michigan from many of the homes along Lake Drive.

I'm inclined to believe that it was not only a combination of the holy grail Pokemon GO location for the greater Milwaukee area, but also a bit of "Not In My Backyard" [1] that led to the augmented reality game ordinance.

[1] - http://milwaukeerecord.com/city-life/lake-parks-pokemon-go-m...

Re: Judge Rules Milwaukee Flouted U.S. Constitution in Response to Pokemon Go Craze

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Post by wfunction »

jmcdiesel wrote: post #10
wfunction wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> City officials were aghast at large numbers of individuals playing Pokemon Go who visited parks, littered, trampled grass and flowers, and stayed past park hours. This seems like a legitimate issue though. How do you propose it be solved?

Staying past park hours for the most part is dumb... as far as being a big deal, its not. People walking around trying to play a game after hours is no something that needs policing in the first place... Is the game responsible for people littering? Or tramping grass (seriously, its grass... lets get over ourselves) or flowers... Is the game responsible for that, or are the people who do the wrong thing responsible?…

>> This seems like a legitimate issue though. How do you propose it be solved?

> Is the game responsible for people littering?

I feel like you didn't answer my question?

Edit, to clarify: I'm asking what the actual solution is: expecting the city to pay for skyrocketing enforcement? Or letting the park get trashed and then blaming the citizens? Or just closing the park and blaming people for it happening? etc.

Re: Judge Rules Milwaukee Flouted U.S. Constitution in Response to Pokemon Go Craze

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Post by nemo44x »

wfunction wrote: post #12
jmcdiesel wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Staying past park hours for the most part is dumb... as far as being a big deal, its not. People walking around trying to play a game after hours is no something that needs policing in the first place... Is the game responsible for people littering? Or tramping grass (seriously, its grass... lets get over ourselves) or flowers... Is the game responsible for that, or are the people who do the wrong thing responsible?…

>> This seems like a legitimate issue though. How do you propose it be solved? > Is the game responsible for people littering? I feel like you didn't answer my question? Edit, to clarify: I'm asking what the actual solution is: expecting the city to pay for skyrocketing enforcement? Or letting the park get trashed and then blaming the citizens? Or just closing the park and blaming people for it happening? etc.

I think they did:

> put the blame on the person who does the wrong thing.

Re: Judge Rules Milwaukee Flouted U.S. Constitution in Response to Pokemon Go Craze

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Post by dragonwriter »

wfunction wrote: post #8
jmcdiesel wrote: post #3

Funny how for the longest time now, cities and counties take more and more money from public parks citing their underuse... then when they get used, they cry out legally to stop the use. Part of the costs of a park is cleaning up after people, its already in the budget. So is the landscaping. So is the coverage for wear and tear in general. Its also funny to see the difference. National Park Service embraces Pokemon…

>> City officials were aghast at large numbers of individuals playing Pokemon Go who visited parks, littered, trampled grass and flowers, and stayed past park hours. This seems like a legitimate issue though. How do you propose it be solved?

By enforcing rules against littering, using parks after hours, etc.

Re: Judge Rules Milwaukee Flouted U.S. Constitution in Response to Pokemon Go Craze

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Post by dragonwriter »

jmcdiesel wrote: post #9
Paul-ish wrote: post #4

This seems like a place where industry self-regulation could be helpful. It could be helpful if there were an organization that would keep track of blacklisted areas (eg whitehouse lawn) and release them for all to the public, and developers in particular, for easy consumption. There would need to be some procedure for adding or removing regions from the database, eg a written request from a relevant government offic…

Or... we place the blame on being in bad places where the blame belongs. If I throw $10,000 over the white house fence and you jump the fence to get to it, its still YOUR problem and YOU are the one at fault for being where you arent supposed to be. Place the blame on the people who disregard the rules, the game isnt responsible because it placed something there. This would be like... "Hey, you shot a deer in the mid…

> If I throw $10,000 over the white house fence and you jump the fence to get to it, its still YOUR problem and YOU are the one at fault for being where you arent supposed to be.

Actually, I'm fairly sure throwing objects over the White House fence without some authority is also illegal, so in your example both parties would legally be at fault.

Re: Judge Rules Milwaukee Flouted U.S. Constitution in Response to Pokemon Go Craze

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Post by [deleted] »

MichaelGG wrote: post #6
jmcdiesel wrote: post #3

Funny how for the longest time now, cities and counties take more and more money from public parks citing their underuse... then when they get used, they cry out legally to stop the use. Part of the costs of a park is cleaning up after people, its already in the budget. So is the landscaping. So is the coverage for wear and tear in general. Its also funny to see the difference. National Park Service embraces Pokemon…

Wear and tear and cleaning up isn't some binary budgeted-or-not thing. You can expect a certain flow and behaviour, and something can radically change that. If some popular band said they were doing a goodbye concert and it was only available in AR at a park, you can bet it'd cause far more wear and tear in one day than they budgeted for a long time. But trying to block the AR game is the wrong approach. They should…

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Re: Judge Rules Milwaukee Flouted U.S. Constitution in Response to Pokemon Go Craze

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Post by Sleeep »

dragonwriter wrote: post #14
wfunction wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> City officials were aghast at large numbers of individuals playing Pokemon Go who visited parks, littered, trampled grass and flowers, and stayed past park hours. This seems like a legitimate issue though. How do you propose it be solved?

By enforcing rules against littering, using parks after hours, etc.

They were complaining the enforcement was what was expensive... "It cost the city tens of thousands of dollars in additional law enforcement."

Re: Judge Rules Milwaukee Flouted U.S. Constitution in Response to Pokemon Go Craze

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Post by Sleeep »

Paul-ish wrote: post #4

This seems like a place where industry self-regulation could be helpful. It could be helpful if there were an organization that would keep track of blacklisted areas (eg whitehouse lawn) and release them for all to the public, and developers in particular, for easy consumption. There would need to be some procedure for adding or removing regions from the database, eg a written request from a relevant government offic…

But we are talking about public park here. Public park exist for the enjoyment of the public, it's kinda the point.

Re: Judge Rules Milwaukee Flouted U.S. Constitution in Response to Pokemon Go Craze

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Post by dragonwriter »

Sleeep wrote: post #17
dragonwriter wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By enforcing rules against littering, using parks after hours, etc.

They were complaining the enforcement was what was expensive... "It cost the city tens of thousands of dollars in additional law enforcement."

Government doesn't have a right to cheap enforcement that trumps rights held by the people, like those protected by the First Amendment.

Re: Judge Rules Milwaukee Flouted U.S. Constitution in Response to Pokemon Go Craze

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Post by LoonyBalloony »

nemo44x wrote: post #13
wfunction wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> This seems like a legitimate issue though. How do you propose it be solved? > Is the game responsible for people littering? I feel like you didn't answer my question? Edit, to clarify: I'm asking what the actual solution is: expecting the city to pay for skyrocketing enforcement? Or letting the park get trashed and then blaming the citizens? Or just closing the park and blaming people for it happening? etc.

I think they did: > put the blame on the person who does the wrong thing.

While I agree, I think the problem is affording blaming the person who does the wrong thing.

Perhaps more permanent solution to the problem is in order such as fencing around the flowers getting trampled. End the drug war if you want to save money elsewhere for this.

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