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Re: Pentagon study declares American Empire is 'collapsing'

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Post by castis »

djohnston wrote: post #7
alexandercrohde wrote: post #3

Good. Here's how things should go: 1. First America stops being world police. 2. America plays ball with rest of world (adopts metric system, becomes a leader in climate, shares control of internet, turns concern toward to real issues like asteroids, population growth, health issues, cyber security) 3. Citizens acknowledge that war is a tool for siphoning tax money into the coffers of people with connections/governme…

are asteroids a real issue?

From what we can tell, they've caused mass extinctions before, no reason to believe they won't again.

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Post by sharemywin »

mindcrime wrote: post #2

and the authority of governments everywhere is crumbling. Good. potentially undermining trust in incumbent governments for the foreseeable future Even better. Trusting government is a fool's errand. But, the document says, this should not be seen as defeatism, but rather a “wakeup call”. If nothing is done to adapt to this “post-primacy” environment, the complexity and speed of world events will “increasingly defy [D…

Then who do you trust no one? computers? corporations? religious leaders? scientists?

How do you run society without trust?

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Post by Bjorkbat »

mrkrabo wrote: post #4
alexandercrohde wrote: post #3

Good. Here's how things should go: 1. First America stops being world police. 2. America plays ball with rest of world (adopts metric system, becomes a leader in climate, shares control of internet, turns concern toward to real issues like asteroids, population growth, health issues, cyber security) 3. Citizens acknowledge that war is a tool for siphoning tax money into the coffers of people with connections/governme…

That's a good way of becoming weak. Your enemies will be very glad to watch you try this.

"The Americans have brought their armed forces back home, adopted sensible foreign and domestic policies, and are starting to see eye-to-eye with people whom they once found too foreign to relate to. Now is the perfect time to strike!"

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Post by camillomiller »

One thing I find particularly funny about the whole Trump-Russia connection and the possibility of Putin & Co. meddling with American Elections, is the disconnect of those that are so blindly outraged about it all.

Trump of course should resign if the intervention is proven as deliberate and facilitated by his side, but shall we make a list of all the foreign elections the US have been meddling with in the last 50 years?

The real solution? American friends, as much as I love you (and I do, mostly), you should just stop being so way up your own ass all the time. About everything. There's a world out there, across the borders and the two ponds.

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Post by edge17 »

EGreg wrote: post #5
mrkrabo wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a good way of becoming weak. Your enemies will be very glad to watch you try this.

Please elaborate how exactly this leads to weakness? And how do you define it in the first place?

power and political vacuums tend to want to be filled

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Post by lawn »

alexandercrohde wrote: post #3

Good. Here's how things should go: 1. First America stops being world police. 2. America plays ball with rest of world (adopts metric system, becomes a leader in climate, shares control of internet, turns concern toward to real issues like asteroids, population growth, health issues, cyber security) 3. Citizens acknowledge that war is a tool for siphoning tax money into the coffers of people with connections/governme…

You forgot an important one (probably a prerequisite): fix the political system.

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Post by randyrand »

alexandercrohde wrote: post #3

Good. Here's how things should go: 1. First America stops being world police. 2. America plays ball with rest of world (adopts metric system, becomes a leader in climate, shares control of internet, turns concern toward to real issues like asteroids, population growth, health issues, cyber security) 3. Citizens acknowledge that war is a tool for siphoning tax money into the coffers of people with connections/governme…

War has been a part of society for as long as society has existed. What has changed in your mind to make post-war era possible?

Also does post war mean war never again happens? Or just happens less frequently?

I truly believe a post war era (war not happening for millions of years) will not be possible without genetic mutation of the human genome.

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Post by dboreham »

camillomiller wrote: post #14

One thing I find particularly funny about the whole Trump-Russia connection and the possibility of Putin & Co. meddling with American Elections, is the disconnect of those that are so blindly outraged about it all. Trump of course should resign if the intervention is proven as deliberate and facilitated by his side, but shall we make a list of all the foreign elections the US have been meddling with in the last 50 ye…

The techniques used in the 2016 US election were developed by western governments to interfere in 3rd world countries' elections. Heck the same subcontractors were used. Classic example of a weapon being turned on the maker.

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Post by mindcrime »

sharemywin wrote: post #12
mindcrime wrote: post #2

and the authority of governments everywhere is crumbling. Good. potentially undermining trust in incumbent governments for the foreseeable future Even better. Trusting government is a fool's errand. But, the document says, this should not be seen as defeatism, but rather a “wakeup call”. If nothing is done to adapt to this “post-primacy” environment, the complexity and speed of world events will “increasingly defy [D…

Then who do you trust no one? computers? corporations? religious leaders? scientists? How do you run society without trust?

Wait, what?? Where did I say anything remotely like "trust no one"?

Trusting governments has worked out so well historically though. That got us many wars, untold numbers of people killed, incarcerated and/or experimented on. It got us untold numbers of people inhibited from creating wealth and a better future for themselves, so the existing elite power base could preserve itself. It got us civil asset forfeiture, the "War on Drugs" (aka, war on civil liberties), horrible nutritional advice promulgated by the USDA and their ilk, which has ruined people's health (hey, eat lots of carbs, fat is evil!). It's got us entrenched systems which promote the morality of one religious group (Christians, in the US) regardless of one's personal beliefs. It's got us MKULTRA, COINTELPRO, Room 641a, etc., etc.

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Post by majkinetor »

castis wrote: post #11
djohnston wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

are asteroids a real issue?

From what we can tell, they've caused mass extinctions before, no reason to believe they won't again.

Mass extinction due to meteor strike is just one hypothesis.
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