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Re: Build a Serverless Web Applicaion

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Amazon wants to control markets by leading in with "convenience" factor but they will sheist you. Buy stuff from Amazon... but for Pete's sake don't make them a core project dependency for your software projects. You only have yourself to blame when they start ratcheting up their prices.

Does that mean I shouldn't buy a car because they might decide to raise gas prices?

Re: Build a Serverless Web Applicaion

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AWS is the system architecture of the web, full-stop. Well, a system architecture, alongside Microsoft Azure and Google Cloud. Avoid them at your own peril and detriment to your ability to execute as a business. With the exception of a few masochists, we don't write software in machine code anymore. Same will be said for cloud infrastructure (actually, it's already there). Breathe and accept the future, focus on buil…

That's just silly. The internet was supposed to have no single point of failure. Now the Big Five have centralized everything. Why do you need to build centralized services on giant AWS server farms?

Unfortunately life and economics have no concern about the initial intent of anything, only the current utility.

Systems, at scale, especially when run by biological processes (read: all man-made systems), have a tendency to centralize. Economies of scale dictate that this is just more efficient. We don't have to do anything. The "evolutionary reward" (i.e. your business thrives and moves quickly) of building on AWS far exceeds SPOF issues for small, medium, and most large players. Yes, we get fun references when S3 goes down [1], but it's not as bad as literal water pipes taking down your webservers like what happened with Stats Canada [2].

The fact that Azure and Google Cloud exist maintains a competitive market. I liken it to Darwin vs Linux vs Windows. Optionality, but fundamental components of the cloud.

[1] http://funender.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/amazon-aws-is...

[2] https://twitter.com/StatCan_eng/status/873285710094233603

Re: Build a Serverless Web Applicaion

#13

Amazon wants to control markets by leading in with "convenience" factor but they will sheist you. Buy stuff from Amazon... but for Pete's sake don't make them a core project dependency for your software projects. You only have yourself to blame when they start ratcheting up their prices.

AWS is the system architecture of the web, full-stop. Well, a system architecture, alongside Microsoft Azure and Google Cloud. Avoid them at your own peril and detriment to your ability to execute as a business. With the exception of a few masochists, we don't write software in machine code anymore. Same will be said for cloud infrastructure (actually, it's already there). Breathe and accept the future, focus on buil…

The cloud will look different in the future. Adopting the locked in model puts all of your eggs in one basket. What you gain in ease you lose in flexibility and cost while increasing your risk

Re: Build a Serverless Web Applicaion

#15

Amazon wants to control markets by leading in with "convenience" factor but they will sheist you. Buy stuff from Amazon... but for Pete's sake don't make them a core project dependency for your software projects. You only have yourself to blame when they start ratcheting up their prices.

AWS is the system architecture of the web, full-stop. Well, a system architecture, alongside Microsoft Azure and Google Cloud. Avoid them at your own peril and detriment to your ability to execute as a business. With the exception of a few masochists, we don't write software in machine code anymore. Same will be said for cloud infrastructure (actually, it's already there). Breathe and accept the future, focus on buil…

Right now I spend $240-600/mo for 192TB of bandwidth. I just used AWS's calculator and they charge $38,876.48/mo for the same thing.

I don't subscribe to the theory that this is "the future".

Re: Build a Serverless Web Applicaion

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post #2

I am a believer in "Serverless" and that it will play a primary role in a large portion of developers' lives... in the future My experience with servless is that while this may be true at a certain level: > No server management I feel like in Amazon's current toolset, you are MORE aware of "servers" than you ever have been before. It's just abstracted into a different layer (cloudformations, etc). The boilerplate for…

That future is being created, you're probably just less aware of it than you think. Serverlessconf just announced their NYC conference, expected to be the largest yet. If Austin is any indicator, it will be huge. [1] Tim Wagner at AWS likes to spout the stat that billions of financial trades are already being processed per day on AWS Lambda. The "serverless" market is gigantic and growing rapidly. And then there's co…

Oh, I know it exists, and I know tons of people are using it.

But like I said, I don't think that the tooling is there right now for mass migration (or anything like it). It's really difficult to test/debug. It's difficult to dianose issues. It's difficult to even set up a "Hello World" API Gateway that uses lambdas. It's painful... as are all new technoligies.

I guess what I mean to say is: I look forward when I just jump on AWS and start using it for a production app, and the boilerplate and amount of config files I have to maintain drops.

I'm also aware of the tool called "serverless" ( https://serverless.com/ ) which is also a step in the right direction.

Re: Build a Serverless Web Applicaion

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post #7

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Why are posts like this being downvoted? Is t because it contains self promotional links? I think the post is informative and adds value. dang, I think there should be a feature to add an optional anonymous and private comment to the person when you downvote something, to let them know why (but with no arguments).

As developers we're allergic to marketing. Well, most of it. So when I make comments like this every once in a while I anticipate a bit of blowback. This is also a really competitive space with a lot of new players that check HN frequently - so keep that in mind. I can tell you it's pretty difficult as a founder to draw the line around self-promotion; on one hand, you don't want to be an ass, and on the other, you're…

I don't know about other readers here, but personally I would _encourage_ self promotion. This is a YCombinator site after all. As long as it remains on topic (which your comment most certainly was).

Re: Build a Serverless Web Applicaion

#18

Amazon wants to control markets by leading in with "convenience" factor but they will sheist you. Buy stuff from Amazon... but for Pete's sake don't make them a core project dependency for your software projects. You only have yourself to blame when they start ratcheting up their prices.

Is Amazon really a core project dependency for software projects that use them? If prices get jacked up, I don't see why a get obect from S3 couldn't be replaced the equivalent call to Azure/Google Cloud or even an open(3)? Yes, migrating projects is a pain, but there has to be a point where it makes financial sense, and if not, what's the problem?

Re: Build a Serverless Web Applicaion

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AWS is the system architecture of the web, full-stop. Well, a system architecture, alongside Microsoft Azure and Google Cloud. Avoid them at your own peril and detriment to your ability to execute as a business. With the exception of a few masochists, we don't write software in machine code anymore. Same will be said for cloud infrastructure (actually, it's already there). Breathe and accept the future, focus on buil…

The cloud will look different in the future. Adopting the locked in model puts all of your eggs in one basket. What you gain in ease you lose in flexibility and cost while increasing your risk

Where's the lock in?

Re: Build a Serverless Web Applicaion

#20

Amazon wants to control markets by leading in with "convenience" factor but they will sheist you. Buy stuff from Amazon... but for Pete's sake don't make them a core project dependency for your software projects. You only have yourself to blame when they start ratcheting up their prices.

Does that mean I shouldn't buy a car because they might decide to raise gas prices?

Yes. Well, either gas prices will rise or some other way of disincentivising private car use will appear, or we'll have runaway climate change, and it'll be your fault.
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