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Google Home Breaks Up Domestic Dispute by Calling the Police

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Re: Google Home Breaks Up Domestic Dispute by Calling the Police

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Post by EADGBE »

closeparen wrote: post #5
DrScump wrote: post #2

Google Home called 911 and the operator heard a confrontation in the background I wasn't aware that it was legal for any unattended device to directly call 911 by itself in any USA jurisdiction. That's why alarm companies have human operators that discern whether local 911 is to be called.

This is a matter of getting the police to take it seriously and actually respond, and mitigating nuisance fees for calling with too many false alarms. The laws don't (generally) prohibit calling the police without a human in the loop, you'll just get better results if you have a human in the loop. It's actually soon to be mandatory for new cars to automatically dial 911 using their onboard GSM when they detect a coll…

Oh, good, I won't need to pay for my OnStar emergency response anymore.

Re: Google Home Breaks Up Domestic Dispute by Calling the Police

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Post by EADGBE »

Correction: ABC News has amended and editor’s note to its story clarifying that the Bernalillo County Sheriff’s Department did not specify the type of smart device that called them to the home. An earlier version of this post cited ABC’s story and claimed a Google Home called police.

They were house sitting. It's not a stretch to think that homeowners had other smart devices to listen in and see what's going on remotely, and call police if necessary. Nest cam possibly? It works with Google Home.

Also, there was a daughter (no mention of age) who may have been able to trigger an alarm system or call herself (though a traditional call negates the "smart device" claim by the sheriff's department).

I'm concerned if smart devices will start intervening with human arguments. When they're necessary, it's indeed a lifesaver. When they're not it can really break up otherwise healthy homes and cause a lot of stress.

Re: Google Home Breaks Up Domestic Dispute by Calling the Police

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Post by joeblow9999 »

mcbobbington wrote: post #8
mike_h wrote: post #6

The numbers around domestic violence are staggering: http://ncadv.org/learn-more/statistics It's also a notorious blind spot for law enforcement – even when restraining orders are issued, they're nearly unenforceable, and once the aggressor is in your house you're a sitting duck. Ambient audio-UI devices could be the biggest technological break ever in monitoring for the presence and emotional state of the subject of…

Most of those statistics are total trash created by and for the domestic violence industry. It's just like the drug crime industry. Most of it is arresting people who shouldn't be. In many ways it's worse because innocent people are constantly arrested, and a man is assumed to be guilty until proven innocent in court. Either they are arrested on hearsay (if girl says it man will go to jail period), or they are arrest…

Why is this downvoted?

Re: Google Home Breaks Up Domestic Dispute by Calling the Police

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Post by greglindahl »

joeblow9999 wrote: post #13
mcbobbington wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of those statistics are total trash created by and for the domestic violence industry. It's just like the drug crime industry. Most of it is arresting people who shouldn't be. In many ways it's worse because innocent people are constantly arrested, and a man is assumed to be guilty until proven innocent in court. Either they are arrested on hearsay (if girl says it man will go to jail period), or they are arrest…

Why is this downvoted?

"causing a scratch" or "grabbing an arm" is the definition of battery. I'm not surprised that someone who asserts that the police shouldn't enforce the law gets downvoted, especially when we're talking about an emotional subject like domestic violence.

Re: Google Home Breaks Up Domestic Dispute by Calling the Police

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Post by mcbobbington »

greglindahl wrote: post #14
joeblow9999 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is this downvoted?

"causing a scratch" or "grabbing an arm" is the definition of battery. I'm not surprised that someone who asserts that the police shouldn't enforce the law gets downvoted, especially when we're talking about an emotional subject like domestic violence.

>I'm not surprised that someone who asserts that the police shouldn't enforce the law gets downvoted

Virtually nobody on HN thinks federal marijuana laws, (and i would guess immigration laws) should be enforced. You have a double standard here on "enforcing the law". If you think cops need to be called over a scratch or being grabbed, you have either lost your mind, or you just don't understand what getting the cops involved means. It's like arresting somebody and telling them they can't drive for 30 days and need to go on probation because they sped 5mph above the speed limit, and if they speed again, they won't be able to drive again for the rest of their life. What's more in some states, the penalties stack. So if you scratch 2 people in the course of your entire life, you are now a felon will spend a year behind bars and can't vote. For a scratch. This is beyond absurd. Also if you get one deffered adjudication you can never touch a gun again, not even 20 years later to go hunting. It doesn't matter if your spouse was just telling you they really enjoyed having sex with your boss - if you even cause a scratch you are a criminal, will be thrown out of your own house. If your spouse divorces you, you will lose custody because you are a "batterer".

Domestic violence issues are mainly propaganda and fear-mongering. They use it for political purposes, just like they use terrorism. When cops get involved, like I said before, it often leads to murders because the real batters are unstable people and calling the police just makes them angry and likely to murder.

Re: Google Home Breaks Up Domestic Dispute by Calling the Police

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Post by greglindahl »

mcbobbington wrote: post #15
greglindahl wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"causing a scratch" or "grabbing an arm" is the definition of battery. I'm not surprised that someone who asserts that the police shouldn't enforce the law gets downvoted, especially when we're talking about an emotional subject like domestic violence.

>I'm not surprised that someone who asserts that the police shouldn't enforce the law gets downvoted Virtually nobody on HN thinks federal marijuana laws, (and i would guess immigration laws) should be enforced. You have a double standard here on "enforcing the law". If you think cops need to be called over a scratch or being grabbed, you have either lost your mind, or you just don't understand what getting the cops…

Like most people, I view laws about violent attacks different from laws about drug consumption that doesn't hurt anyone. I totally think the cops should be called when someone is assaulted.

Re: Google Home Breaks Up Domestic Dispute by Calling the Police

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Post by mcbobbington »

greglindahl wrote: post #16
mcbobbington wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I'm not surprised that someone who asserts that the police shouldn't enforce the law gets downvoted Virtually nobody on HN thinks federal marijuana laws, (and i would guess immigration laws) should be enforced. You have a double standard here on "enforcing the law". If you think cops need to be called over a scratch or being grabbed, you have either lost your mind, or you just don't understand what getting the cops…

Like most people, I view laws about violent attacks different from laws about drug consumption that doesn't hurt anyone. I totally think the cops should be called when someone is assaulted.

First, thank you for acknowledging that your previous point was moot, and that you do have a double standard. Now I will show why calling the police any time any small assault has occurred is the wrong choice.

If you think that you need to call the cops over somebody grabbing your arm, you are far worse than the guy who grabbed your arm. Instead of turning the other cheek and forgiving, as the guy who scratched you should have done, you do the same thing: revenge. How are you any different? Simply outsourcing your revenge to the cops makes you a better person? No, you are the same - you feel wronged and that you have the right to retaliate, only your retaliation is far more severe.

If somebody is truly posing a threat to life or limb, then calling cops may be appropriate. But in most small cases, calling the police is both foolish and wrong.

An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind. Especially in families, forgiveness and love and overcoming evil with good are much better choices.

Re: Google Home Breaks Up Domestic Dispute by Calling the Police

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Post by greglindahl »

mcbobbington wrote: post #17
greglindahl wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like most people, I view laws about violent attacks different from laws about drug consumption that doesn't hurt anyone. I totally think the cops should be called when someone is assaulted.

First, thank you for acknowledging that your previous point was moot, and that you do have a double standard. Now I will show why calling the police any time any small assault has occurred is the wrong choice. If you think that you need to call the cops over somebody grabbing your arm, you are far worse than the guy who grabbed your arm. Instead of turning the other cheek and forgiving, as the guy who scratched you s…

I did no such thing, and smarmy statements like this are not a "discussion".
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