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NIST to redefine the kilogram based on a fundamental universal constant

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Re: NIST to redefine the kilogram based on a fundamental universal constant

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The kilogram is not the only unit that will be redefined based on universal constants. The seven base units[0] will transition to being based on elementary charge and the Planck, Boltzmann, and Avogadro constants[1].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SI_base_unit#Seven_SI_base_uni...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_redefinition_of_SI_ba...

Re: NIST to redefine the kilogram based on a fundamental universal constant

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For those who missed it, the original submission title (from the article) was "Scientists are about to change what a kilogram is. That’s massive."

Thank you, that is awful. I love it.

The last line of the article is also an awful groaner.

Re: NIST to redefine the kilogram based on a fundamental universal constant

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post #5

They define it based on Planck's constant, so the results also depends on the definition of meter and seconds if I understand it correctly. Would it have been possible to define it as the weight of N amount of electrons (assuming all electrons have the exact same weight under all circumstances) or another fundamental particle? EDIT: it would be the weight of 9.10938356e31 electrons at rest

FYI, from Wikipedia:

>For electrons or electron holes in a solid, the effective mass is usually stated in units of the rest mass of an electron, me (9.11×10−31 kg). In these units it is usually in the range 0.01 to 10, but can also be lower or higher—for example, reaching 1,000 in exotic heavy fermion materials, or anywhere from zero to infinity (depending on definition) in graphene. <

Re: NIST to redefine the kilogram based on a fundamental universal constant

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post #5

They define it based on Planck's constant, so the results also depends on the definition of meter and seconds if I understand it correctly. Would it have been possible to define it as the weight of N amount of electrons (assuming all electrons have the exact same weight under all circumstances) or another fundamental particle? EDIT: it would be the weight of 9.10938356e31 electrons at rest

One way has been by counting silicon atoms in a nearly-perfect spherical crystal. http://aip.scitation.org/doi/full/10.1063/1.4921240

And they are using this as a definition for the unity of atomic mass.

Re: NIST to redefine the kilogram based on a fundamental universal constant

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It's a little ironic that the article expressed the value of Planck's constant using an SI Unit with kilograms. > Based on 16 months' worth of measurements, it calculated Planck's constant to be 6.626069934 x 10−34 kg∙m2/s.

Right - can somebody explain how this unit of kg-m2/s (weight diffusion? work-seconds?) can be used to define weight? Seem circular.

Re: NIST to redefine the kilogram based on a fundamental universal constant

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post #13

Interesting fact: this is important for US too, because pound is defined as exactly 0.45359237 kg ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_(mass)#Current_use )

Would be more important if the pound had an independent definition - suddenly, a lot of international trade and unit conversion apps are affected.

Re: NIST to redefine the kilogram based on a fundamental universal constant

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It's a little ironic that the article expressed the value of Planck's constant using an SI Unit with kilograms. > Based on 16 months' worth of measurements, it calculated Planck's constant to be 6.626069934 x 10−34 kg∙m2/s.

Surely this is the point, though?

We rearrange the approximation: h = 6.626069934 x 10−34 kg∙m2/s to solve for kg and thus have our definition in terms of h?

Re: NIST to redefine the kilogram based on a fundamental universal constant

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It's a little ironic that the article expressed the value of Planck's constant using an SI Unit with kilograms. > Based on 16 months' worth of measurements, it calculated Planck's constant to be 6.626069934 x 10−34 kg∙m2/s.

Right - can somebody explain how this unit of kg-m2/s (weight diffusion? work-seconds?) can be used to define weight? Seem circular.

divide each side by m2/s
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