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Tesla's Long-Awaited, Lower-Priced Model 3 to Arrive Friday

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Re: Tesla's Long-Awaited, Lower-Priced Model 3 to Arrive Friday

#11

I just wonder, how much bandwidth these cars send home (Tesla HQ) as learning data.

Also curious about this. Tesla has the ability to to hoard millions of hours of driving experience per year. Data seems to trump all in ML applications so far and Tesla definitely has the most available to harvest.

At the same time, Tesla is primarily video based and it is likely quite difficult to call home with gigabytes of video every night.

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#12

I just wonder, how much bandwidth these cars send home (Tesla HQ) as learning data.

I am actually super intrigued to see how the launch of the Model 3 affects this practice from a legal standpoint. Currently, Tesla's high priced cars are fairly niche, and a lot of their practices fall under people's radar. Issues like right to repair, the active tracking of every car, etc. are pretty concerning from an ownership standpoint.

With buyers who may be less apt to replace their car every couple years, and a larger volume of buyers in general, I am kind of expecting more of Tesla's practices to get tested in court.

From a privacy standpoint, Tesla's 'learning data' is arguably a big deal, and from my understanding, something you currently can't shut off, even if you possess the title of ownership to the vehicle.

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#14

I really wonder how the top-speed is on those cars in their various configurations. For me this is the deal breaker on all other "affordable" solutions thus far.

The top-speed is really a prime concern for choosing your car?

Interesting. Do you live in a no-speed-limit jurisdiction, such as Germany?

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#15

20,000 cars per month by December is an incredibly ambitious goal. If achieved, they have a very good chance of getting their 500,000 cars in 2018, something that virtually everyone (including myself) thought could not be done. So two things: 1) If you don't have a dog in this race, wait and see if Tesla really does achieve these goals. Outrageous claims require strong evidence. 2) If you're a competitor, now is not…

> Tesla’s Model S outsells Mercedes S-Class, Porsche Panamera, and BMW 6/7 Series combined in the US

Those cars are not even in the same class, of course Tesla would outsell them. Compare sales of the model S in Germany with the C class, BMW 3 (or maybe the 5) and just forget about Porsche.

Other cars you could compare it with are larger sedans of the premium variety Japanese manufacturers (Toyota -> Lexus, Nissan -> Infinity).

I'm really happy to see Tesla make moves but if you're going to make comparisons it helps if they're apples to apples otherwise you just make Tesla look bad.

Downvoters are encouraged to spend some time behind the wheel of an S class (even a 10 year old one will do) and then to go drive a Tesla for a bit.

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#16

I really wonder how the top-speed is on those cars in their various configurations. For me this is the deal breaker on all other "affordable" solutions thus far.

I don't think any car I've ever owned has spent more than a minute or two at its top rated speed. Even acceleration is only important up to a minimum to get along in traffic. Even in Germany where cars are allowed to go pretty quick in some areas hardly any of them go at or near their rated top speed.

Re: Tesla's Long-Awaited, Lower-Priced Model 3 to Arrive Friday

#17
post #11

I just wonder, how much bandwidth these cars send home (Tesla HQ) as learning data.

Also curious about this. Tesla has the ability to to hoard millions of hours of driving experience per year. Data seems to trump all in ML applications so far and Tesla definitely has the most available to harvest. At the same time, Tesla is primarily video based and it is likely quite difficult to call home with gigabytes of video every night.

That's pretty clearly part of the long term play

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#18

20,000 cars per month by December is an incredibly ambitious goal. If achieved, they have a very good chance of getting their 500,000 cars in 2018, something that virtually everyone (including myself) thought could not be done. So two things: 1) If you don't have a dog in this race, wait and see if Tesla really does achieve these goals. Outrageous claims require strong evidence. 2) If you're a competitor, now is not…

I've always wondered to what extent "traditional" luxury car makers have one hand tied behind their backs competing with Tesla in the electric market thanks to still having to support "legacy" technology like the internal combustion engine.

The major German marques often seem to be investing in shared platforms for next generation models that support combustion and electric drive options, but it strikes me that a platform for a combustion based car has to support a ton of things the electric one often doesn't - combustion engines have typically needed much larger/complex gear boxes and drive train in general, plus all the big firewalls needed to keep engine fires out of the cabin and so on. A purely electric car company like Tesla can presumably build out its platform technology without having to worry about a lot of these things. I'd guess you can even build more cabin space for a vehicle of the same size and so on thanks to eliminating many of them. I wonder if shared platforms can leave in otherwise artificial constraints on the electric version for compatibility reasons?

Re: Tesla's Long-Awaited, Lower-Priced Model 3 to Arrive Friday

#19
The U.S. $7500 tax credit for buying electric cars is cut in half two quarters after a manufacturer hits 200,000 units. Two quarters later it is cut to 25 percent, and at the start of the sixth quarter after the limit is reached, the credit disappears completely.

I wonder if enough people know about this to produce pressure to buy Model 3's quickly?

https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/how-does-the-electric-ca...

Re: Tesla's Long-Awaited, Lower-Priced Model 3 to Arrive Friday

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post #14

I really wonder how the top-speed is on those cars in their various configurations. For me this is the deal breaker on all other "affordable" solutions thus far.

The top-speed is really a prime concern for choosing your car? Interesting. Do you live in a no-speed-limit jurisdiction, such as Germany?

I do live in Germany, and it is a concern for me.

The VW e-up costs 22k EUR and has a top speed of 130 km/h, the BMW i3 full electric version w/o range extender costs about 35k EUR and has a top speed of 150 km/h.

This performance would be fine if I bought a car under 10k EUR but not for this price.

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