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How I learned to code in my 30s

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Re: How I learned to code in my 30s

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Somewhat related, perhaps the most spectacular story of a late coder I've ever heard is that of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Pruteanu (somewhat controversial Romanian literary critic and politician). Basically, despite having a major in Romanian literature and spending a lifetime as a literary critic, with almost 0 contact with computers, he decided in his late 40s and early 50s to understand the things beh…

>I read an 1 meter [high stack] of books about the subject.

Sounds like a good hook for website. Instead of learn X in 21 days: http://www.1meterofbooks/programming

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You need more stories like this to show people who wouldn't normally consider CS as a viable, lucrative path to a second career. Areas with high unemployment and people in dwindling old industries may get a second wind in life if they tried his approach. A big change like this also requires multiple exposures to the currently much easier to reach CS education as a possible solution, so I hope more people produce accessible content like this.

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This is generally a decent article about the balancing non-technical skills, and exerting effort in learning. I found it noteworthy that the "hook" in the title is that the person started in (gasp) their 30s. Why should that be noteworthy? Why wouldn't someone start coding in their 30s, 40s or 50s? Now it is true that starting a new profession late in life may not always make sense because, presumably, you have to li…

Yeah, I think the relevant part is "getting into software/tech in 30s", not learning to code per se which should be non-newsworthy at least through one's 50s.

Then again, I changed careers into software in my 30s (had just turned 30 when I left aerospace), though I had coded in some capacity my entire life. Newsworthy?

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This is generally a decent article about the balancing non-technical skills, and exerting effort in learning. I found it noteworthy that the "hook" in the title is that the person started in (gasp) their 30s. Why should that be noteworthy? Why wouldn't someone start coding in their 30s, 40s or 50s? Now it is true that starting a new profession late in life may not always make sense because, presumably, you have to li…

I found the article very interesting, and I thought the hook was valid - coding is one of these disciplines where the general consensus is that you need to start very young to be good, similar to Olympic athletes. I wrote my first trivial but working program aged 5 so I believe this to be true to some extent; reading an experience that contradicts this was valuable to me. I also liked the article for a different reas…

I wonder if we'll start seeing want ads for Olympian level coders (instead of mere rock stars).

Re: How I learned to code in my 30s

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When I was a kid, my mom was teaching high school, and thought that she might get laid off due to declining school enrollment in the rust belt. She took a year of programming courses at a community college. The next year, they asked her to teach the course, which she did.

Most of her students were 30+, many were working in the auto industry, including assembly line workers. At the time, there were a lot of bright people working the lines because it had always been possible to skip college and land a decent middle class job at the car plants. But that was coming to an end.

Her students were taking one year of CS and getting hired into reasonably decent programming jobs.

In fact, I was also interested in programming, and learned it in school. When I went to college, my mom discouraged me from majoring in CS because she literally thought programming was too easy to justify 4 years of classroom training, and she thought that the job market for programmers would quickly saturate.

Let's just say we guessed wrong. ;-)

But at the time, college level CS was still maturing as a discipline. Many of the 4 year colleges didn't have full blown CS major programs. I'm betting it's harder now, but I honestly don't know if programming per se has fundamentally gotten any harder.

Edit: Noting some of the comments, I certainly don't want to disparage the CS degree. After all, I majored in math and physics -- hardly a turn towards a practical training. I think these are fields where you have to be interested enough in the subject matter, to study it as an end unto itself. Being able to do actual practical work in a so called real world setting is always its own beast, no matter what you study.

Re: How I learned to code in my 30s

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why should that be noteworthy? Because there's perceived ageism in this industry, so saying you're just getting started in your 30's is interesting.

Isn't the same ageism -- true or perceived -- in all industries? Would you be feel comfortable starting med-school in your 30s? A PhD? Training to be a plumber or an architect? If anything, because programming takes a shorter time to become productive (say 2 years), I would think it would attract older job switchers. (edit: Before people give me counter-examples, note:I know these things do happen)

Not really. The problem in general is that there are very few active "junior" level positions about, and a lot of people wanting to break in - see /r/cscareerquestions. For later learners especially self taught learners the problem really comes from finding the FIRST job, not the second when they have professional experience.

Coming out of college though is a different experience. If you're 33 and just finished a BS in CS you could probably make a run at most jobs. But self taught at 33 requires a lot more to get in the door than self taught at 25.

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A possibly similar tale is the one being done by some former Kentucky coal miners: http://spectrum.ieee.org/energywise/energy/fossil-fuels/the-...

Here's a longer great Wired article about (I think) the same group of coders

https://www.wired.com/2015/11/can-you-teach-a-coal-miner-to-...

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