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Structural Propensity Database of Proteins

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Re: Structural Propensity Database of Proteins

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Nice work lowering the entry barrier for machine learning in this space, which appears to be the aim of your company, but it's a bit of a tease to claim your data representation is great for supporting ML and stop short of doing any of that in the manuscript. I take it that's the next step? On that note, is there any reason why the propensity classes alpha/beta/coil are still so widely used? Especially coil/turn/"oth…

All models are wrong but some are useful. My PhD was in empirical protein dynamics (solution NMR, CD, DSF, etc..) and the long and short of it is that disordered states are particularly difficult to distinguish from one another. When you consider that an even partially disordered ensemble has essentially an infinite number of nearly degenerate conformations inter-converting on timescales ranging from picoseconds to m…

The traditional structural classifications just have very low information content in the context of protein dynamics. Coil especially. You've given the example of a disordered region interconverting on different timescales, but these timescales can, purportedly, be predicted from chemical shift data, etc. [1], so why not call it "fast coil" or "slow coil"? It's not only about timescales either, because you may need to do extra experiments for that data. It's about finding the highest information content descriptors for an amino acid and using machine learning to do it. Your descriptors (jello, velcro, balloons) are actually much better at conveying dynamics than the static descriptors used in structural biology.

[1] http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ct501085y

Re: Structural Propensity Database of Proteins

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

All models are wrong but some are useful. My PhD was in empirical protein dynamics (solution NMR, CD, DSF, etc..) and the long and short of it is that disordered states are particularly difficult to distinguish from one another. When you consider that an even partially disordered ensemble has essentially an infinite number of nearly degenerate conformations inter-converting on timescales ranging from picoseconds to m…

The traditional structural classifications just have very low information content in the context of protein dynamics. Coil especially. You've given the example of a disordered region interconverting on different timescales, but these timescales can, purportedly, be predicted from chemical shift data, etc. [1], so why not call it "fast coil" or "slow coil"? It's not only about timescales either, because you may need t…

Excellent reference!

Re: Structural Propensity Database of Proteins

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If I understand correctly, the product is the database and its Tensorflow API?

I am wondering how this compares to the TALOS-N [1] server from Ad Bax (NIH) with 9000+ proteins in its DB? This, too, uses machine learning to 'fit' a predictor for secondary structure (dihedral angles) for backbone and side chain torsions based on chemical shifts.

[1] https://spin.niddk.nih.gov/bax/software/TALOS-N/

Re: Structural Propensity Database of Proteins

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Interesting approach to getting at some dark spaces in our current understanding. What kind of computation time does it take to run against a single amnio acid chain? Can you get much (nice disorder predictions?) out of an amino acid sequence alone? Our protein design work has its origins coming from a different angle. But there are some interesting thoughts we've had about utilizing (well, dreamed up) technologies l…

Thank you for very kind comment. We are now finishing a predictor, which utilizes protein propensity data for mass-scale disorder and order predictions.

The training times obviously vary on the network architecture, software and hardware. I can safely say you can process 7200+ protein sequence with average sequence length of 120 amino acids in 2h on 2 x NVIDIA Titan XP

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If I understand correctly, the product is the database and its Tensorflow API? I am wondering how this compares to the TALOS-N [1] server from Ad Bax (NIH) with 9000+ proteins in its DB? This, too, uses machine learning to 'fit' a predictor for secondary structure (dihedral angles) for backbone and side chain torsions based on chemical shifts. [1] https://spin.niddk.nih.gov/bax/software/TALOS-N/

This is an excellent question. When we have our network up and running we will compare against Ad's methodology. Ad is known for top-notch solutions.

Re: Structural Propensity Database of Proteins

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If I understand correctly, the product is the database and its Tensorflow API? I am wondering how this compares to the TALOS-N [1] server from Ad Bax (NIH) with 9000+ proteins in its DB? This, too, uses machine learning to 'fit' a predictor for secondary structure (dihedral angles) for backbone and side chain torsions based on chemical shifts. [1] https://spin.niddk.nih.gov/bax/software/TALOS-N/

And yes, the product right now is Keras and Tensorflow database integration + the interactive database interface. The tools around are currently under stringent testing.
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