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Re: Wikileaks Documentary Makers Accuse Assange of Censorship

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Post by Operyl » Sat, Jun 17, 2017, 2:34 AM UTC

Judson wrote: post #10

Operyl wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey, It's definitely been some time, but I noticed (personally verifying DKIM records) that a good chunk of the Podesta emails didn't pass. I'd have to dig out those exact emails again, unfortunately.

I checked DKIM records and they did pass. Many emails did not have DKIM headers, but I never found one that contained DKIM headers, and failed validation.

Hmm, interesting. I'm now downloading the archive and going to run through and check again.

Edit: Huh, guess Wikileaks has a hard 40Mbit down limit for downloads, this might take a while.

Edit 2:

Not sure if this is due to time since leaks, and weirdness, but one such email I found was https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/41063

    dkim.ValidationError: body hash mismatch (got xYeNHE1y7S7c90FEmj0Clvuu8UkskqNWL3LiuMxCrsc=, expected SFTNrt5rWQXzb3TEj9vxbo/FLGDSOiYFg+04PjFRv3A=)

While I'm finding valid headers, I'm finding a good portion of negatives too. I have to sort through the spam emails in his inbox first though (lots of irrelevant DKIM failures).

Edit 3:

Just some numbers (which are definitely inflated from the spam emails I found, by how much I'm not sure):

  root@ubuntu-512mb-nyc1-01:/mnt/volume-nyc1-01# cat output | wc -l
  9981
  root@ubuntu-512mb-nyc1-01:/mnt/volume-nyc1-01# cat totest | wc -l
  28024
  root@ubuntu-512mb-nyc1-01:/mnt/volume-nyc1-01# ls out/ | wc -l
  50887

Edit 4 (and the last):

The quick script thrown together to put numbers together, https://gist.github.com/Omeryl/c6cbe603721f5671b9056ca127399.... I don't have the time to go through and see how many of those messages are spam that are just failing to validate, etc. It's worth noting that some messages may be failing to validate because x= is past, etc, as well.

Re: Wikileaks Documentary Makers Accuse Assange of Censorship

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Post by ceejayoz » Sat, Jun 17, 2017, 2:37 AM UTC

microcolonel wrote: post #4

Operyl wrote: post #3

Not terribly surprised, it's been well known that Assange leaks what he wants, and doesn't care much after the leak. A lot of information, like the email "dumps" didn't have valid DKIM headers for one. A lot of their stuff is questionable at best now.

That form of censorship was not alleged. You are imagining things. They're accusing him of attempting to censor the personal stuff, such as the sexual misconduct allegations. Personally I'm mixed on whether those belong in a documentary about WikiLeaks given how irrelevant they are to the organizational purpose.

> Personally I'm mixed on whether those belong in a documentary about WikiLeaks given how irrelevant they are to the organizational purpose.

It's a documentary about Assange. Why would it not include "personal stuff"?

Re: Wikileaks Documentary Makers Accuse Assange of Censorship

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jun 17, 2017, 2:43 AM UTC

Judson wrote: post #10

Operyl wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey, It's definitely been some time, but I noticed (personally verifying DKIM records) that a good chunk of the Podesta emails didn't pass. I'd have to dig out those exact emails again, unfortunately.

I checked DKIM records and they did pass. Many emails did not have DKIM headers, but I never found one that contained DKIM headers, and failed validation.

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Re: Wikileaks Documentary Makers Accuse Assange of Censorship

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Post by microcolonel » Sat, Jun 17, 2017, 2:46 AM UTC

ceejayoz wrote: post #12

microcolonel wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That form of censorship was not alleged. You are imagining things. They're accusing him of attempting to censor the personal stuff, such as the sexual misconduct allegations. Personally I'm mixed on whether those belong in a documentary about WikiLeaks given how irrelevant they are to the organizational purpose.

> Personally I'm mixed on whether those belong in a documentary about WikiLeaks given how irrelevant they are to the organizational purpose. It's a documentary about Assange. Why would it not include "personal stuff"?

I was under the (perhaps wrongful) impression that it was about WikiLeaks in main, and referenced Assange only to serve that topic.

Re: Wikileaks Documentary Makers Accuse Assange of Censorship

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Post by kbenson » Sat, Jun 17, 2017, 2:50 AM UTC

microcolonel wrote: post #14

ceejayoz wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Personally I'm mixed on whether those belong in a documentary about WikiLeaks given how irrelevant they are to the organizational purpose. It's a documentary about Assange. Why would it not include "personal stuff"?

I was under the (perhaps wrongful) impression that it was about WikiLeaks in main, and referenced Assange only to serve that topic.

The rape accusations and Assange himself are intricately tied to Wikileaks, how it functions, and responses to it's actions. Not including those accusations or his response to them when they were widely speculated by some to be brought force by Sweden at the behest of the United States in retaliation to Wikileaks would be odd in a documentary about Wikileaks that happened to cover that period.

Re: Wikileaks Documentary Makers Accuse Assange of Censorship

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Post by mirimir » Sat, Jun 17, 2017, 2:52 AM UTC

msabalau wrote: post #2

The specific claims: “In WikiLeaks’ efforts to prevent the distribution of ‘Risk,’ they are using the very tactics often used against them – legal threats, false security claims, underhanded personal attacks, misdirection – and with the same intentions: to suppress information and silence speech"

It is funny to see Wikileaks complaining about leaks. Not even leaks, but rather material provided voluntarily. They were obviously gobsmacked by Poitras turning on them.

I must say, however, that Wikileaks overall censors leaks much less heavily than do Greenwald, Poitras and crew. I mean, does anyone know what percentage of Snowden's stuff that's been released? It's my impression that it's small.

Edit: typo

Re: Wikileaks Documentary Makers Accuse Assange of Censorship

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Post by ceejayoz » Sat, Jun 17, 2017, 2:59 AM UTC

microcolonel wrote: post #14

ceejayoz wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Personally I'm mixed on whether those belong in a documentary about WikiLeaks given how irrelevant they are to the organizational purpose. It's a documentary about Assange. Why would it not include "personal stuff"?

I was under the (perhaps wrongful) impression that it was about WikiLeaks in main, and referenced Assange only to serve that topic.

All the coverage I've seen indicates it's primarily an Assange documentary, and that it was one even in the earlier cut that Assange approved of.

Even if it were explicitly a Wikileaks documentary, I don't see how Assange and his personal life wouldn't be a fair subject. A documentary about the Civil War will probably include info on Lincoln, a WWII one will probably talk about Hitler and his life, etc.

Re: Wikileaks Documentary Makers Accuse Assange of Censorship

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Post by codyb » Sat, Jun 17, 2017, 3:40 AM UTC

mirimir wrote: post #16

msabalau wrote: post #2

The specific claims: “In WikiLeaks’ efforts to prevent the distribution of ‘Risk,’ they are using the very tactics often used against them – legal threats, false security claims, underhanded personal attacks, misdirection – and with the same intentions: to suppress information and silence speech"

It is funny to see Wikileaks complaining about leaks. Not even leaks, but rather material provided voluntarily. They were obviously gobsmacked by Poitras turning on them. I must say, however, that Wikileaks overall censors leaks much less heavily than do Greenwald, Poitras and crew. I mean, does anyone know what percentage of Snowden's stuff that's been released? It's my impression that it's small. Edit: typo

I thought that was the whole idea? Let them curate and release the relevent information?

Re: Wikileaks Documentary Makers Accuse Assange of Censorship

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Post by tzs » Sat, Jun 17, 2017, 3:46 AM UTC

Judson wrote: post #10

Operyl wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey, It's definitely been some time, but I noticed (personally verifying DKIM records) that a good chunk of the Podesta emails didn't pass. I'd have to dig out those exact emails again, unfortunately.

I checked DKIM records and they did pass. Many emails did not have DKIM headers, but I never found one that contained DKIM headers, and failed validation.

Someone tested several on Reddit using two different validators. There were some that failed validation with one of the validators. Details are in the document linked to in the Reddit submission. Here is the Reddit submission: https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiLeaks/comments/58w8nh/the_podes...

Re: Wikileaks Documentary Makers Accuse Assange of Censorship

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Post by mirimir » Sat, Jun 17, 2017, 3:53 AM UTC

codyb wrote: post #18

mirimir wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is funny to see Wikileaks complaining about leaks. Not even leaks, but rather material provided voluntarily. They were obviously gobsmacked by Poitras turning on them. I must say, however, that Wikileaks overall censors leaks much less heavily than do Greenwald, Poitras and crew. I mean, does anyone know what percentage of Snowden's stuff that's been released? It's my impression that it's small. Edit: typo

I thought that was the whole idea? Let them curate and release the relevent information?

I guess. But many are pissed off about how little's been released. And about how much it's been monetized.

Edit: OK, "profited from".