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Uber is imploding, but does anyone really care?

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Re: Uber is imploding, but does anyone really care?

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At what point do you stop being a start up? They have a revenue of ~$6.5B and 12,000 employees.

I think the criterion I like best is that if you're actively sacrificing profitability for growth, you're a startup.

Obviously there are exceptions in both directions, and other factors to consider, but this seems to be a pretty good starting point for discussion to me.

Re: Uber is imploding, but does anyone really care?

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I'm probably being dense but I don't understand the claim that "Uber is imploding". From the article: "the company doubled its gross bookings to $20 billion in 2016, and its net revenue (excluding China) was $6.8 billion" The company had $2.8 billion in losses in 2016 and it puts the company's long term prospects for financial viability into question which might mean a down round on the next funding but the company i…

"We lose money on every transaction, but we make it up in volume!"

Re: Uber is imploding, but does anyone really care?

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post #5

At what point do you stop being a start up? They have a revenue of ~$6.5B and 12,000 employees.

When you have a repeatable business model. Uber has repeat customers but is a long way from having figured out how to make the profits required by their business and funding history.

Re: Uber is imploding, but does anyone really care?

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I'm probably being dense but I don't understand the claim that "Uber is imploding". From the article: "the company doubled its gross bookings to $20 billion in 2016, and its net revenue (excluding China) was $6.8 billion" The company had $2.8 billion in losses in 2016 and it puts the company's long term prospects for financial viability into question which might mean a down round on the next funding but the company i…

"We lose money on every transaction, but we make it up in volume!"

Dunno, this is only the eighth quarter that Amazon has turned a profit. Uber is a young company

Re: Uber is imploding, but does anyone really care?

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post #8

I'm probably being dense but I don't understand the claim that "Uber is imploding". From the article: "the company doubled its gross bookings to $20 billion in 2016, and its net revenue (excluding China) was $6.8 billion" The company had $2.8 billion in losses in 2016 and it puts the company's long term prospects for financial viability into question which might mean a down round on the next funding but the company i…

This is The Verge. It's not a site known for rigor. It's a pop culture rag, a mish mash of Maximum PC, Game Informer, and Men's Health for meme followers

Not to say Uber is or isn't imploding. No clue either way

Re: Uber is imploding, but does anyone really care?

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post #8

I'm probably being dense but I don't understand the claim that "Uber is imploding". From the article: "the company doubled its gross bookings to $20 billion in 2016, and its net revenue (excluding China) was $6.8 billion" The company had $2.8 billion in losses in 2016 and it puts the company's long term prospects for financial viability into question which might mean a down round on the next funding but the company i…

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Re: Uber is imploding, but does anyone really care?

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post #14
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"We lose money on every transaction, but we make it up in volume!"

Dunno, this is only the eighth quarter that Amazon has turned a profit. Uber is a young company

Amazon has continually reinvested for growth rather than profit. They are able to turn a profit any time they want, Bezos is simply managing the company for growth. Uber is a long way from ever being able to turn a profit.

Re: Uber is imploding, but does anyone really care?

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post #5

At what point do you stop being a start up? They have a revenue of ~$6.5B and 12,000 employees.

Unfortunately, declaring your company a start up is sexy. My last company was about 130 employees, made some profit but mostly enough to keep the business afloat, been around for a little over 10 years, and was reluctant to call itself a start up.

The company I'm currently at has close to 1,200 employees, been around for close to 10 years, its own free cafeteria, profitable enough to fund several high-risk initiatives, but easily calls itself a start up..

My personal opinion: you're no longer a start up if you're able to afford your own "free food cafeteria". ;-)

Re: Uber is imploding, but does anyone really care?

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At what point do you stop being a start up? They have a revenue of ~$6.5B and 12,000 employees.

Unfortunately, declaring your company a start up is sexy. My last company was about 130 employees, made some profit but mostly enough to keep the business afloat, been around for a little over 10 years, and was reluctant to call itself a start up. The company I'm currently at has close to 1,200 employees, been around for close to 10 years, its own free cafeteria, profitable enough to fund several high-risk initiative…

If "free food cafeteria" means something other than "the CEO is buying a few pizzas to feed the whole office" I would say it's no longer a start-up :)

Re: Uber is imploding, but does anyone really care?

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post #11
post #5

At what point do you stop being a start up? They have a revenue of ~$6.5B and 12,000 employees.

I think the criterion I like best is that if you're actively sacrificing profitability for growth, you're a startup. Obviously there are exceptions in both directions, and other factors to consider, but this seems to be a pretty good starting point for discussion to me.

Yep, Amazon was the first counter-example I thought of. Definitely not a start-up but they trade profit for growth all day.
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