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Risk it When You're Young

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Re: Risk it When You're Young

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Definitely do the things that you're passionate about, because you will only end up regretting and coming up with those "what-if" questions everyday. Do it anyway. They WePay founders are right in a way. You do give up (or do not adapt) a certain lifestyle if you do choose the entrepreneurial path, but the long-term rewards are endless.

I agree. As they say "In 10 years you will regret more things you have not done than things you have"

Re: Risk it When You're Young

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I'm 30 now and just getting going on this. My startup is just starting to get some nice sales traction. I've never really understood the assessment of risk that people apply to starting a company. If my company fails when I start full time on it then I'll get a job in a week tops unless I decide to take some time off. My family won't ever notice the difference except when I have to get the insurance information chang…

Most people couldn't get a job in a week. It'd take them months, sometimes even years if they had a high paying job that is hard to come by. This may be less applicable in our field, but it's a real issue for many workers in other fields.

To do what you suggest you'd also need to have some savings, unless your startup is already earning you the equivalent of your regular salary. Most people have debts, not savings.

It can be done of course, but there is definitely an element of risk involved unless you have some form of safety net.

Re: Risk it When You're Young

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I'm 30 now and just getting going on this. My startup is just starting to get some nice sales traction. I've never really understood the assessment of risk that people apply to starting a company. If my company fails when I start full time on it then I'll get a job in a week tops unless I decide to take some time off. My family won't ever notice the difference except when I have to get the insurance information chang…

What insurance did you change to for the startup?

Re: Risk it When You're Young

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There is nothing wrong with a year or three in industry. You'll be a much better coder, get exposed to problem domains outside the typical purview of twenty-something white and Asian males, build contacts, and improve your soft skills such as how to wear a suit and talk to people older than you outside of the teacher/student relationship. These things are enormously valuable.

If you're worried about getting spoiled by the huge paychecks, I recommend being a Japanese salaryman. We would never dream of inconveniencing you in that fashion. grins Seriously though, if you put $4k a month towards your student loans (or a savings account you solemnly promise not to touch) your $80k salary will feel like, what, $20k or so after the tax differential?

Re: Risk it When You're Young

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I don't think it's responsible to advise people with negative cash to take big risks. Risk is for people with no debt and a year or two of living expenses in cash.

If you would truly be homeless if you went bankrupt, then yes, it's not prudent. But many of the people who would be in this position have a safety net if things go bad. They can default on their debt, move in with a friend or relative, and get a job and get back on their feet.

I'm kind of shocked at how casually you say 'They can default on their debt'. What a fcked up attitude.

Re: Risk it When You're Young

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I don't think it's responsible to advise people with negative cash to take big risks. Risk is for people with no debt and a year or two of living expenses in cash.

one of our points was to start a company before you amass debt (mortgage, car payments, etc) though understandably many students have loans to pay back. a sad part of our consumer culture is that we generally never get out of debt until very late in our careers.

Re: Risk it When You're Young

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you would truly be homeless if you went bankrupt, then yes, it's not prudent. But many of the people who would be in this position have a safety net if things go bad. They can default on their debt, move in with a friend or relative, and get a job and get back on their feet.

I'm kind of shocked at how casually you say 'They can default on their debt'. What a fcked up attitude.

I thought one of the biggest advantage of US financial system is for people to take risks with their business but can fail without a huge hit on their future, i.e. bankruptcy.

Without this attitude, you'll have people that is a lot more hesitant to start a business.

Re: Risk it When You're Young

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you have a year or two of living expenses, a mortgage, and a family, it's a much bigger risk than if you have nothing...especially if "nothing" means very few big-ticket expenses. If you have nothing, you are risking the opportunity cost of having a "real job". As long as you can find a way to support yourself (food and shelter), it's a good time to gamble.

> As long as you can find a way to support yourself I'm not nearly so sanguine about most people's ability to make that happen. The kind of people who get into a seed funding program probably don't have to worry about living in mom's basement for three years before something comes together. I think that kind of penalty for failure would be way more common among most people than you're acknowledging.

almost everyone qualified to start a company has some sort of skill they can sell for $20-40 per hour (or far more). which is generally enough to pay rent.

Re: Risk it When You're Young

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This applies to almost everyone: It will never be cheaper than it is today.

The older you get, the more responsibilities you take on. When you have a mortgage, a wife, kids, and car loans, you have to make your startup pay really fast. When you have little debt, can crash on your parents couch (if needed), and drive a crappy old car that is paid for, you can take extreme risks, and the payback can be tiny for the first few months or even a couple of years.

Re: Risk it When You're Young

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There is nothing wrong with a year or three in industry. You'll be a much better coder, get exposed to problem domains outside the typical purview of twenty-something white and Asian males, build contacts, and improve your soft skills such as how to wear a suit and talk to people older than you outside of the teacher/student relationship. These things are enormously valuable. If you're worried about getting spoiled b…

There is nothing wrong with being in the industry. But I have many friends who planned to go the startup route after "2 years of working to save some many". Most of them wouldn't be able to leave their job now because of their comfort in it (and say what you will, it IS a difference in lifestyle).
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