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Re: “Let her speak please”

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Post by jasonshen »

Edit: I watched the video. The moderator goes on and on and the "let her speak please" sounds very polite.

This is a painfully frustrating reminder that women get talked over by men. It's one thing to have one panelist talk over another, but to have the moderator, who is explicitly in charge of facilitating a panel discussion, be the one to drown out a panelist is just unacceptable. Yes, "not all men" do this, but the fact that this continues to happen in such visible and public settings, where presumably people are on "their best behavior", would suggest that it happens even more in more private situations. Research has shown that groups where speaking is more distributed are more successful at solving problems, and explicitly teams with more women are more successful: https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/01/the-sec...

I will take this story as another reminder to be aware of situations where I might be dominating a conversation, and I hope you will too.

Re: “Let her speak please”

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Post by curiousgal »

>he continued to talk over her and dominate the space for several minutes

>I'm still upset by the incredible sexism that has been demonstrated this afternoon

Now I feel bad for missing out on labeling every instance of a man being rude to me as sexism! /s

Re: “Let her speak please”

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Post by chris_wot »

Can someone please pass that note to Joe Scarborough also? He was interviewed by Colbert, and not once was this raised. Seriously, watch Morning Joe and he just will not let Mika Brzezinski speak, and you can see her suppressing her frustration.

Scarborough doesn't even appear to know he's doing it, and Brzezinski seems to be powerless to stop him.

Re: “Let her speak please”

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Post by marvin »

Aaaaaand it's flagged. No surprises there. I was refreshing every five minutes to see how long it would take.

[Edit: Thanks to the mods for taking responsibility for allowing this discussion].

Re: “Let her speak please”

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Post by pxm »

danso wrote: post #3

The Observer has an article about this: http://observer.com/2017/06/sexism-science-facebook-mansplai... The video of the event is here: http://www.worldsciencefestival.com/programs/big-universe-bi... edit: Youtube version, at the 1:02 mark where people apparently were getting irritated: https://youtu.be/Er7qPv8jsZo?t=1h1m55s

And the "let her speak please" happens just after 1:05: https://youtu.be/Er7qPv8jsZo?t=3928

Re: “Let her speak please”

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Post by epmaybe »

pokemongoaway wrote: post #5
retox wrote: post #4

Mansplaining, bleh.

How many times do we have to tell feminists that this isn't sexism? Ya all those people on stage just HATE women! What about bad manners? What about cut throat career promoting academicians getting an audience?

Here's your problem with this. The moderator, Jim Holt, isn't a physicist or cosmologist, he's a journalist/philosopher.

You're right, it is bad manners, but the fact that it didn't happen with the other men on stage suggests it's more than that. Watch the video and see for yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er7qPv8jsZo

You'll find that the moderator is much more willing to let the men speak throughout this conversation, whereas Hubeny tries to get a word in, succeeds, and then gets interrupted by Holt.

Re: “Let her speak please”

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Post by curiousgal »

pxm wrote: post #15
danso wrote: post #3

The Observer has an article about this: http://observer.com/2017/06/sexism-science-facebook-mansplai... The video of the event is here: http://www.worldsciencefestival.com/programs/big-universe-bi... edit: Youtube version, at the 1:02 mark where people apparently were getting irritated: https://youtu.be/Er7qPv8jsZo?t=1h1m55s

And the "let her speak please" happens just after 1:05: https://youtu.be/Er7qPv8jsZo?t=3928

A Youtube comment:

He spends 0:40 asking her the first question. He continues talking when she tries to speak once.

She talks for 0:30

He redirects her from her answer and tries to clarify what he wants to know for 0:55

She talks for 1:00 answering this question

He begins clarifying/providing an example of what she is saying for 0:20, continuing to talk when she tries to speak once. It is during this interruption that "let her speak please" is shouted (1:05:40).

It's clear that he was quite excited about the ideas and some of the ways he wanted to explain them and examples he wanted to give. It's not clear that there was no subconscious bias on his part in the way he went about it.

Re: “Let her speak please”

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Post by nailer »

danso wrote: post #3

The Observer has an article about this: http://observer.com/2017/06/sexism-science-facebook-mansplai... The video of the event is here: http://www.worldsciencefestival.com/programs/big-universe-bi... edit: Youtube version, at the 1:02 mark where people apparently were getting irritated: https://youtu.be/Er7qPv8jsZo?t=1h1m55s

1:05:39

Nerds do this a lot. It's annoying AF. I've had conversations about topics like zopfli or 'HTTPS in the 90s' where I was sure I was right (and I was) but the other person was so confident and loud I genuinely wondered if I was missing something.

Re: “Let her speak please”

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Post by evgen »

curiousgal wrote: post #17
pxm wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the "let her speak please" happens just after 1:05: https://youtu.be/Er7qPv8jsZo?t=3928

A Youtube comment: He spends 0:40 asking her the first question. He continues talking when she tries to speak once. She talks for 0:30 He redirects her from her answer and tries to clarify what he wants to know for 0:55 She talks for 1:00 answering this question He begins clarifying/providing an example of what she is saying for 0:20, continuing to talk when she tries to speak once. It is during this interruption tha…

Contrast this to Holt's behavior for the rest of the video when interacting with the men on the panel and it is quite clear that his bias was not subconscious, but rather that he is just an asshole.

Re: “Let her speak please”

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Post by kirRoyale »

jasonshen wrote: post #11

Edit: I watched the video. The moderator goes on and on and the "let her speak please" sounds very polite. This is a painfully frustrating reminder that women get talked over by men. It's one thing to have one panelist talk over another, but to have the moderator, who is explicitly in charge of facilitating a panel discussion, be the one to drown out a panelist is just unacceptable. Yes, "not all men" do this, but th…

You know men get talked over by women too?
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