This is a pretty amazing compilation, is there any recourse for this? Are these security guards protected by diplomatic immunity? Is that a stupid question?
If they do this in the USA, imagine what they do back home. Wild stuff.
Video Analysis of Erdogan's security detail brawl in Washington
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#12Top-notch editing work and presentation, really impressive.
Don't want to get diverted into politics but I was appalled by not only the incident itself but the fact that Turkey then summoned the US ambassador in Ankara to complain about DC police trying to break up the fight. This is not a healthy sign for the future.
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#13This is a pretty amazing compilation, is there any recourse for this? Are these security guards protected by diplomatic immunity? Is that a stupid question?
Technically Turkey could wave the diplomatic immunity, but considering who ordered the attacks.. though luck
Or my understanding is that the US can revoke their diplomatic credentials and expel them at any time, and that tends to be a more common response to a serious crime than actual waiver of immunity and prosecution.
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#14This is a pretty amazing compilation, is there any recourse for this? Are these security guards protected by diplomatic immunity? Is that a stupid question?
Not stupid, and they most likely have immunity, if they are officially a part of the delegation.
That's my understanding too. Although I believe that the US could ban those individuals from having immunity in the future and eject them from the country, which is certainly what I'd advocate for here.
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#15This is a pretty amazing compilation, is there any recourse for this? Are these security guards protected by diplomatic immunity? Is that a stupid question?
This article lightly describes how immunity might work, but despite the title fails to present any recourse besides the obvious "maybe we shouldn't let those specific security guards back into the country after they leave."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/05/17/h...
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#16Not sure what it's doing on HN, but this is a really nice piece of journalism, well worth checking out even if you're not interested in the subject matter.
I figured because it was a fairly in-depth analysis of the footage, it was worth posting to the HN community. I'm glad you found it interesting.
Thanks for posting it! Very cool article and in-depth piece.
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#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
I figured because it was a fairly in-depth analysis of the footage, it was worth posting to the HN community. I'm glad you found it interesting.
I found the reading and especially watching experience to be sub par on the iphone. No way to pause/rewind the clips, no complete videos to review, just carefully prepared "analysis" for digestion in a certain way.
I can't speak to its behavior on iDevices, but regarding the complete video: As far as I can tell all the clips analyzed were from the video footage in the original NYT report[1] of the incident, which is linked in the very first paragraph of this article. Personally, I think this is a rather good example of reporting on something that perhaps entailed a bit of a judgement, but providing ample and well-documented evidence of how they reached that conclusion. If you disagree, you're more that welcome to go to the source material and come to a different conclusion.
[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/17/us/turkish-embassy-protes...
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#18Top-notch editing work and presentation, really impressive. Don't want to get diverted into politics but I was appalled by not only the incident itself but the fact that Turkey then summoned the US ambassador in Ankara to complain about DC police trying to break up the fight. This is not a healthy sign for the future.
It appears to be part of Turkey's new nationalist media strategy. See a similar incident in the Netherlands with some crazy details: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Dutch%E2%80%93Turkish_dip...
> About twenty police officers, forming a special forces unit, the Dienst Speciale Interventies, masked and equipped with body armour and automatic weapons, arrested ten members of Kaya's bodyguard, on suspicion of illegally carrying firearms
> A stand-off ensued for several hours in which the Turkish minister refused to leave the car.[7] Just after midnight, a special heavy tow truck, a lift flatbed, was driven into the yard and prepared to vertically hoist the 3.5 tonne car on the flatbed, with the minister still in it, to transport her back to Germany.
(Turkey is probably long past its last free election and we're going to have to work out how to deal with one of the largest European NATO members being an Islamist dictatorship)
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#19Great analysis, but I must ask the obvious question. US citizens attacked by foreign entities on US soil. What gives?
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
I figured because it was a fairly in-depth analysis of the footage, it was worth posting to the HN community. I'm glad you found it interesting.
I found the reading and especially watching experience to be sub par on the iphone. No way to pause/rewind the clips, no complete videos to review, just carefully prepared "analysis" for digestion in a certain way.
I can't even read the thing. The scroll keeps snapping back to the top. (iOS 10, iPhone 5S)