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Badly educated men have not adapted well to trade, technology or feminism (2015)

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Re: Badly educated men have not adapted well to trade, technology or feminism (2015)

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Post by ergothus »

I find the topic interesting, but the article looks to be doing a lot of guessing causation from results. I.e. In low-skilled jobs that are projected to have growth, women are more represented than men.

It then wanders around different topics - effects on heterosexual relationship when "eligible" members of one sex are in low supply, etc. But I was most interested in that initial argument, and it wasn't given much support.

" Everywhere you look in Tallulah there are women working: in the motels that cater to passing truckers, in the restaurants that serve all-you-can-eat catfish buffets, in shops, clinics and local government offices. But though unskilled men might do some of those jobs, they are unlikely to want them or to be picked for them."

In my mind, there's a big difference between "not wanting" and "wanting but not getting", but the article lumps those together.

All in all, a great article for raising some theories, and the facts offered point out some questions we might not have had, but precious little evidence of any particular answers, just evidence to shoot down a few theories (and those disproven theories aren't covered).

Not to say I think the article's suggestions are WRONG...I just don't have any reasons from the article to think they are right.

Re: Badly educated men have not adapted well to trade, technology or feminism (2015)

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Post by quirkot »

thrownblown wrote: post #9
csours wrote: post #2

Poorly educated or badly educated? Badly educated would indicate that the education is based on incorrect facts or processes. Poorly educated would indicate that there may not be enough education, etc.

Paying attention is a skill that needs to be taught in school. It's hardly the fault of the student if the schools don't engage and challenge them. The American education system fed me lie after lie after lie. All public schools teach lies, some even don't even pretend and teach creationism.

I am reminded of my chemistry professor's lament. "I can't count how many students I've failed for not knowing things that were later proven to be untrue"

Re: Badly educated men have not adapted well to trade, technology or feminism (2015)

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Post by markwaldron »

thrownblown wrote: post #9
csours wrote: post #2

Poorly educated or badly educated? Badly educated would indicate that the education is based on incorrect facts or processes. Poorly educated would indicate that there may not be enough education, etc.

Paying attention is a skill that needs to be taught in school. It's hardly the fault of the student if the schools don't engage and challenge them. The American education system fed me lie after lie after lie. All public schools teach lies, some even don't even pretend and teach creationism.

You state that the education system taught you lies, and then generalize that all public schools teach lies. Did you attend every public school in the nation?

Re: Badly educated men have not adapted well to trade, technology or feminism (2015)

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Post by thrownblown »

quirkot wrote: post #13
thrownblown wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Paying attention is a skill that needs to be taught in school. It's hardly the fault of the student if the schools don't engage and challenge them. The American education system fed me lie after lie after lie. All public schools teach lies, some even don't even pretend and teach creationism.

I am reminded of my chemistry professor's lament. "I can't count how many students I've failed for not knowing things that were later proven to be untrue"

You had a chemistry classes in a public school? You're lucky.

No English teacher would write that sentence.

Re: Badly educated men have not adapted well to trade, technology or feminism (2015)

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Post by krath94 »

"Although there is no reason in theory why men could not become nurses or care-home assistants, few do."

This is true, but why is it that the shortage of women in technology fields is attributed to them not being accepted or even forced out? Maybe this isn't the general attitude, but I have certainly heard people say that woman aren't in tech as much because they feel unwelcome, whereas when talking about men in those other fields, it's because "they don't want to."

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