> What if modern, postindustrial society is simply better suited to women? Alternative theory: Society is failing our boys.
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#12> What if modern, postindustrial society is simply better suited to women? Alternative theory: Society is failing our boys.
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#14What if modern, postindustrial society is simply better suited to women? What if modern, postindustrial society is simply hostile to males in return for all the past hostility to females? edit: apparently axle replied while I had my lament on the state of scholarships. Summarized: out of literally thousands available after pre-filtered (however poorly), I had to toss out all but a dozen or two because I'm white and m…
The problem is really that you likely have not been anything else apart from a male WASP. See, there is no institution working against you. These things you are complaining about not getting are not the main product, they are shortcuts. A scholarship is not the normal way of studying, it's a shortcut way, for people who have something working against them. A woman (and a black guy) have institutions against them. The…
Allowing this for the sake of argument, at what point do you stop "giving" things to disadvantaged groups? If a group makes up 60% of the population of college graduates, is it time to start punishing them as well?
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#15For a fun exercise, try replacing "men" with "black people" and "women" with "white people" throughout this article, and speculate on whether The Atlantic would have published it. "What if modern, postindustrial society is simply better suited to white people?" "White people live longer than black people. They do better in this economy. More of ’em graduate from college. They go into space and do everything black peo…
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#16Heck, even spatial abilities are so last-century, now that everyone has a GPS.
So then you get things like men's constantly decreasing fertility, for decades now. Decreasing testosterone levels, again trending downwards for many years now.
I'm not saying this is either good or bad, I'm just saying this is an environment which creates different evolutionary pressures, and our species is responding to it.
I'm not sure I can imagine the destination, though.
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#17It will be very interesting to see if the arc of human development begins with primitive matriarchal societies and ends with hi-tech matriarchal societies. It will also be interesting to see if history bears out the current theories that men skew to the extremes. In 20 years women may make up the majority of the white-collar workforce, but will they also dominate at the executive level?
Wikipedia goes even further than my hedged and uninformed "very few" statement and says:
There are no known societies that are unambiguously matriarchal,[2][3][4][5][6][7][8] although there are a number of attested matrilinear, matrilocal and avunculocal societies, especially among indigenous peoples of Asia and Africa,[9] such as those of the Basques, Minangkabau, Mosuo, Berbers or Tuareg. Strongly matrilocal societies sometimes are referred to as matrifocal, and there is some debate concerning the terminological delineation between matrifocality and matriarchy.
which is no doubt enough to keep anyone occupied for hours, but anyway, I see no evidence that early societies were matriarchal.
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#18What if modern, postindustrial society is simply better suited to women? What if modern, postindustrial society is simply hostile to males in return for all the past hostility to females? edit: apparently axle replied while I had my lament on the state of scholarships. Summarized: out of literally thousands available after pre-filtered (however poorly), I had to toss out all but a dozen or two because I'm white and m…
The problem is really that you likely have not been anything else apart from a male WASP. See, there is no institution working against you. These things you are complaining about not getting are not the main product, they are shortcuts. A scholarship is not the normal way of studying, it's a shortcut way, for people who have something working against them. A woman (and a black guy) have institutions against them. The…
So, why are "they" the majority of the workforce, a clear majority of college graduates, and trending up in both cases?
At some point it's time to stop arguing about theory and look about you. It's over. The male-WASP free ride is over. Maybe we've hit balance, maybe we haven't, but if we don't want to shoot right past the balance we better start looking around a bit before blindly spouting arguments from the 1960s. At some point you get to active discrimination against male-WASPs. Note how I carefully failed to phrase that as a question. And if it's not time to at least discuss the matter in light of the facts of my first paragraph, when will it be? Give me a concrete criterion for when we know we're finished.
Had I asked that question 20 years ago, one imagines the answer would be "When parity is reached", but since we've shot past that and it's still not enough, apparently that's not the real criterion.
This is a broad problem with politics right now; nobody knows when to say enough! Enough money has been spent on education, enough pension benefits have been given, enough has been spent on the military, enough affirmative action has been done. There has to be enough sometime.
def enough_done_for(policy, effort):
return False
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#19For a fun exercise, try replacing "men" with "black people" and "women" with "white people" throughout this article, and speculate on whether The Atlantic would have published it. "What if modern, postindustrial society is simply better suited to white people?" "White people live longer than black people. They do better in this economy. More of ’em graduate from college. They go into space and do everything black peo…
"Their [research] also suggests that the disadvantages that poverty imposes on children aren’t primarily about material goods. True, every poor child would benefit from having more books in his home and more nutritious food to eat (and money certainly makes it easier to carry out a program of concerted cultivation). But the real advantages that middle-class children gain come from more elusive processes: the language that their parents use, the attitudes toward life that they convey. However you measure child-rearing, middle class parents tend to do it differently than poor parents — and the path they follow in turn tends to give their children an array of advantages. [...] Can the culture of child-rearing be changed in poor neighborhoods, and if so, is that a project that government or community organizations have the ability, or the right, to take on?"
(If you read the whole article, they are using poor to mean low-income minority, i.e. black.)
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem is really that you likely have not been anything else apart from a male WASP. See, there is no institution working against you. These things you are complaining about not getting are not the main product, they are shortcuts. A scholarship is not the normal way of studying, it's a shortcut way, for people who have something working against them. A woman (and a black guy) have institutions against them. The…
"They go somewhere, and they are instantly assumed to be less competent." So, why are "they" the majority of the workforce, a clear majority of college graduates, and trending up in both cases? At some point it's time to stop arguing about theory and look about you . It's over. The male-WASP free ride is over. Maybe we've hit balance, maybe we haven't, but if we don't want to shoot right past the balance we better st…