I don't know about the Amiga stuff, but as PowerPC board for running Linux looks great: "The e5500 is a superscalar, dual-issue core with out-of-order execution and in-order completion. It maintains the seven-stage, four-issue pipeline that is a trademark of the e500 family, but is able to provide additional performance, by scaling up to 2.5 GHz." [1] [1] http://www.nxp.com/assets/documents/data/en/white-papers/64B..…
AmigaOne X5000 – first impression
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Re: AmigaOne X5000 – first impression
#12I am saddened to say, but everything that made the Amiga great when it was launched seems meh by today's standards.
Amigas had preemptive multitasking before any other home computer. Today it's the norm. Amigas could switch video modes every scanline. Today, even the concept of a scanline takes a while to explain to someone born in the 90's. The same happens with the careful NTSC timing ("what's NTSC, grandpa?") that, ultimately, doomed the machine to low-resolution graphics until it was too late. Hardware accelerated graphics (their blitter was cool) is also the norm (and many orders of magnitude faster now). We don't even talk about audio quality anymore.
Everything that defined an Amiga is commonplace. To experience a UI that looks like a cross between Gnome 2 and BeOS running on a processor that once replaced 68Ks is not what would define an Amiga today.
So, what I would expect an Amiga for the 2020's to be?
I'd imagine, for starters, a uniform CPU/GPU architecture. Lots of cores accessing a single memory pool (let them have some scratch memory for themselves to save bandwidth) running the same software doing the job of both CPU and GPU. Make this CPU/GPU hybrid monster capable of combining multiple 4K inputs piped into textures and composite them in real time on any display surface available. A radical idea should set the tone.
Maybe, for the GUI, explore the idea of depth to convey information about windows. A simple sensor could locate your head and adjust the screen perspective accordingly. To the programmer, the GUI should be simple. Reminisce about Plan 9 a bit. If the head detection thing is capable of dealing with hand gestures, have a couple gestures to zoom in/out, switch task/workspace and so on. Make the visual language elegant for the 2020's. Let go of the 80's.
Embrace the idea of "the network is the computer". Again, think Plan 9.
Obviously, make the OS developer friendly, not only to develop for it, but for other platforms as well (whoever uses this computer needs to be able to work). Don't bother with the Amiga CLI - we have better stuff now. Ports of Clang/LLVM, OpenJDK, the usual browsers and, of course, Emacs, are the bare essentials. Make it POSIX so it's easy, but favor languages that express concurrency and multiprocessing easily because you'll have a whole lot of cores.
Obviously it should be able to read most common filesystems, even if its native filesystem is something alien. Snapshots, implicit RAID, part of the computer address space... Something new, please. Maybe don't have a disk and treat RAM as cache for a persistent store. It'd need to be radical or it'd be just another cute computer.
Ditch the mouse. Use a trackpad. Just make it right (as good as Apple's).
The system enclosure can't look like a PC. If at all possible, build it with no cables - edge connectors to drives, power, external ports. If it's pretty enough, you get the chance of using transparency to show it off. Again, 2020's, not 80's.
Use the ball as soon as possible at boot, at the highest resolution the display allows. Use the bounce sound to signal successful POST. 2020's, but still Amiga.
Finally, the keyboard. Whatever you do, don't make it a generic (or worse, cheap) PC keyboard. An Amiga should feel different (even if the original was so-so). From layout to switches to keycaps, it'll have to convey uniqueness.
That ended up longer than expected...
Re: AmigaOne X5000 – first impression
#13I don't know about the Amiga stuff, but as PowerPC board for running Linux looks great: "The e5500 is a superscalar, dual-issue core with out-of-order execution and in-order completion. It maintains the seven-stage, four-issue pipeline that is a trademark of the e500 family, but is able to provide additional performance, by scaling up to 2.5 GHz." [1] [1] http://www.nxp.com/assets/documents/data/en/white-papers/64B..…
Yeah, my first thought was "this board looks great for testing big-endian". Would be nice to see comparisons to e.g. the G5.
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#14Can someone tell me what makes "real" Amiga so wonderful that it's worth paying $1500 for an objectively outdated computer? What does legit Amiga do that something like, for example, AROS doesn't do?
The Amiga has a small but really enthusiastic fanbase that doesn't want to admit that it's dead. That's it, as far as I can tell. All of the modern Amiga hardware seems to suffer from similar issues to the ones mentioned here - it's expensive, slow by modern standards, has strange and annoying hardware and driver issues, and there's just not much software for PPC Amiga. It can't even run modern web browsers. (Unless…
Re: AmigaOne X5000 – first impression
#15Can someone tell me what makes "real" Amiga so wonderful that it's worth paying $1500 for an objectively outdated computer? What does legit Amiga do that something like, for example, AROS doesn't do?
I'm absolutely convinced they can't produce anything on their Amiga 500 that can't be made on a $50 sbc just as much as the people I've spoken to are absolutely convinced that I'm wrong and just don't get it.
I think it's more a sign of prestige for them; like trying to argue that the durability and workmanship on the $1,000 designer t-shirt is indistinguishable in quality from the generic $10 one - this is also a losing battle.
Re: AmigaOne X5000 – first impression
#16I was going to be short. Still, even if large, I won't price this above two cents. I am saddened to say, but everything that made the Amiga great when it was launched seems meh by today's standards. Amigas had preemptive multitasking before any other home computer. Today it's the norm. Amigas could switch video modes every scanline. Today, even the concept of a scanline takes a while to explain to someone born in the…
Pico Computing already sells desktops that are similar to what I'm thinking about. They're just non-standard & you customize stuff to them where this would be standard with flagship apps (even FOSS) using accelerators by default.
EDIT: Or even heterogenous processors with varying strengths for great power/performance ratio. Similar to what phones are doing.
Re: AmigaOne X5000 – first impression
#17Can someone tell me what makes "real" Amiga so wonderful that it's worth paying $1500 for an objectively outdated computer? What does legit Amiga do that something like, for example, AROS doesn't do?
I write this while sitting in front of a modern machine that has as much appeal as a kitchen appliance, yet I regularly dig out an old computer to revive old interests. It is irrational, since that modern machine can easily be used to explore those old interests. Yet the old computer gives me pleasure while doing so, so that is the route that I have choosen.
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#18Can someone tell me what makes "real" Amiga so wonderful that it's worth paying $1500 for an objectively outdated computer? What does legit Amiga do that something like, for example, AROS doesn't do?
I also do not quite understand. As someone who loves 68000-based powerhouse art computers from the '80s, I can understand the appeal of the original Amiga line, but the PowerPC ones confuse me a bit because they no longer bring a unique graphics chipset to the table. Without the (potentially) interesting graphics chipset, does the appeal really extend beyond the OS interface design and the brand itself?
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
I definitely think that, when it was released, Amiga was ahead of its time, at least compared to the equivalently priced Mac and DOS/early-windows systems. I just feel that the system hasn't really kept up since commodore left the picture.
As a child, I remember walking into a "World Computers" retail store and seeing a Commodore Amiga running some graphics demo. I was utterly blown away. It was far beyond what I had ever seen with a home computer, which at that point, was limited to a Macintosh SE and an 80286 PC running DOS 6.
Re: AmigaOne X5000 – first impression
#20I was going to be short. Still, even if large, I won't price this above two cents. I am saddened to say, but everything that made the Amiga great when it was launched seems meh by today's standards. Amigas had preemptive multitasking before any other home computer. Today it's the norm. Amigas could switch video modes every scanline. Today, even the concept of a scanline takes a while to explain to someone born in the…