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Re: A new upstream project to break up Docker into independent components

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Post by jakemoshenko »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #9
e1ven wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It looks like they want to rename the OSS version, to differentiate it from their commercial version. They're using the analogy of Fedora->RHEL. Moby = open source development Docker CE = free product release based on Moby Docker EE = commercial product release based on Docker CE.

Why doesn't the open-source predecessor have precedence?

Because there are no engineers storming the office of the CTO demanding that they buy Moby. There is a lot of brand value in the name Docker.

Re: A new upstream project to break up Docker into independent components

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Post by jazzyb »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #9
e1ven wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It looks like they want to rename the OSS version, to differentiate it from their commercial version. They're using the analogy of Fedora->RHEL. Moby = open source development Docker CE = free product release based on Moby Docker EE = commercial product release based on Docker CE.

Why doesn't the open-source predecessor have precedence?

Because people are more likely to pay for the more recognized name.

Re: A new upstream project to break up Docker into independent components

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Post by pilif »

kibwen wrote: post #8

Indeed, it seems that github.com/docker/docker now redirects to this. From a technological perspective it's irrelevant, but from a brand management perspective it's baffling. Did they perceive the Docker brand as tainted in some way?

> Did they perceive the Docker brand as tainted in some way?

quite to the contrary I'd say. Docker will be their commercial enterprise offering and moby will be the open source project.

Re: A new upstream project to break up Docker into independent components

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Post by logicallee »

DonHopkins wrote: post #10

I have no idea why they'd want to change such a great name. I am very disappointed. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=docker

I'm sure you'll clean up your phrasing (since you're getting downvoted for some reason) but could I ask, is this something you really first thought of when you heard the name? Is it UK slang? I've never heard it. I don't think you should be downvoted for the info (even though it doesn't actually apply, they will keep the name for their commercial stuff) as it's news to me.

Re: A new upstream project to break up Docker into independent components

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Post by bravura »

logicallee wrote: post #14
DonHopkins wrote: post #10

I have no idea why they'd want to change such a great name. I am very disappointed. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=docker

I'm sure you'll clean up your phrasing (since you're getting downvoted for some reason) but could I ask, is this something you really first thought of when you heard the name? Is it UK slang? I've never heard it. I don't think you should be downvoted for the info (even though it doesn't actually apply, they will keep the name for their commercial stuff) as it's news to me.

I was aware of the slang term "docking" in Canada and the United States. I believe it is a commonly accepted term in the gay community. See, e.g. http://www.thebody.com/h/docking-and-HIV-transmission-risk.h...

Re: A new upstream project to break up Docker into independent components

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Post by glitcher »

Excerpts from mobyproject.org give a much better explanation:

Moby is an open framework created by Docker to assemble specialized container systems without reinventing the wheel. It provides a “lego set” of dozens of standard components and a framework for assembling them into custom platforms.

Audience

Moby is recommended for anyone who wants to assemble a container-based system, this includes:

Hackers who want to customize or patch their Docker build

System engineers or integrators building a container system

Infrastructure providers looking to adapt existing container systems to their environment

Container enthusiasts who want to experiment with the latest container tech

Open-source developers looking to test their project in a variety of different systems

Anyone curious about Docker internals and how it’s built

Moby is NOT recommended for:

Application developers looking for an easy way to run their applications in containers. We recommend Docker CE instead.

Enterprise IT and development teams looking for a ready-to-use, commercially supported container platform. We recommend Docker EE instead.

Anyone curious about containers and looking for an easy way to learn. We recommend the docker.com website instead.

Re: A new upstream project to break up Docker into independent components

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Post by octo_t »

bru wrote: post #5

More information can be found there: https://github.com/moby/moby/pull/32691 > Docker is transitioning all of its open source collaborations to the Moby project going forward. Should I understand that the core team wants to keep the brand "Docker" but use it in a commercial way, while Moby will be the underlying open source code? Is it Docker/Moby = RHEL/Fedora ? or Docker/Moby = Mongodb.com/Mongodb.org?

from https://github.com/moby/moby/pull/32691 as well:

> defining an open, community-centric governance inspired by the Fedora project

Re: A new upstream project to break up Docker into independent components

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Post by logicallee »

bravura wrote: post #16
logicallee wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure you'll clean up your phrasing (since you're getting downvoted for some reason) but could I ask, is this something you really first thought of when you heard the name? Is it UK slang? I've never heard it. I don't think you should be downvoted for the info (even though it doesn't actually apply, they will keep the name for their commercial stuff) as it's news to me.

I was aware of the slang term "docking" in Canada and the United States. I believe it is a commonly accepted term in the gay community. See, e.g. http://www.thebody.com/h/docking-and-HIV-transmission-risk.h...

but you're not my parent poster...and you didn't actually answer the question about whether it had negative connotations. (specifically, the term "docker" doesn't appear on that page in that form.) I am asking whether it's the first thing my parent poster, or anyone, would first think of, for example if the project were named "wanker".

Re: A new upstream project to break up Docker into independent components

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Post by pi-rat »

From comment by @stykes on the pull request:

  Moby = open source development
  Docker CE = free product release based on Moby
  Docker EE = commercial product release based on Docker CE.

  Nothing is dead; and everything that was open-source remains open-source. In fact we are open-sourcing new things.
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