Does anyone actually have any problems with Thunderbird? I feel like it is "done" software. It works, perfectly, for all my needs. It's fast. It has great UI. It lets me read and write email.
Proposal to start a new implementation of Thunderbird based on web technologies
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Re: Proposal to start a new implementation of Thunderbird based on web technologies
#12Hmm, I thought Mozilla had pulled financial support from Thunderbird? This would be an exciting new chapter for the product, but the article doesn't address whether it makes financial sense for Mozilla to invest this much in Thunderbird's future.
For most of the last three years I've worked on Nylas Mail (https://github.com/Nylas/Nylas-mail), and it hit 2.0 yesterday with Mac/Win/Linux support. It's entirely open source (GPL), written in JavaScript, syncs mail locally, etc. It essentially -is- what the author of the post is looking to build, except it doesn't look like Thunderbird. Nylas put at least $2M+ worth of engineering time into it, and I imagine ThunderbirdJS would take at least a similar commitment of time and effort. Heck, maybe they could just skin Nylas Mail and call it Thunderbird ;-)
Re: Proposal to start a new implementation of Thunderbird based on web technologies
#13Mozilla just doesn't get the message.... We don't want your features, fixes, refreshes, rebranding, or re-imagining. We want a browser that is fast, stable, secure, minimal, and that DOES NOT FIGHT US. Let me load my old SSL certs (a warning is fine). Let me keep my preferences (why does https:// disappear from my address bar every update, and my search bar keep switching back to case sensitive).
Stop making your problems worse and get your $#!% together! I'm a sysadmin, dangit, I need this tool to work!
Re: Proposal to start a new implementation of Thunderbird based on web technologies
#14I like the idea of using web technologies for desktop application. The only major problem right now is that each application uses at least 1.5-2g of RAM each since it basically launches a full web browser under it (and chromium loves ram). We will need enormous amount of RAM soon if all applications starts to go that way...
Re: Proposal to start a new implementation of Thunderbird based on web technologies
#15Mozilla just doesn't get the message.... We don't want your features, fixes, refreshes, rebranding, or re-imagining. We want a browser that is fast, stable, secure, minimal, and that DOES NOT FIGHT US. Let me load my old SSL certs (a warning is fine). Let me keep my preferences (why does https:// disappear from my address bar every update, and my search bar keep switching back to case sensitive). Stop making your pro…
Well, the web is evolving.
If you're a sysadmin and you test everything in an ancient version of Firefox that doesn't display SSL errors, you're not getting an accurate picture of what the product's users will see. The latest browsers might entirely block people from visiting your site, display a huge warning, etc. and you wouldn't know. Maybe being a sysadmin requires getting the fixes, refreshes, rebranding as they come down the pipe? I'm also not a fan of the recent changes, just take a more defeatist attitude I guess!
Re: Proposal to start a new implementation of Thunderbird based on web technologies
#16I like the idea of using web technologies for desktop application. The only major problem right now is that each application uses at least 1.5-2g of RAM each since it basically launches a full web browser under it (and chromium loves ram). We will need enormous amount of RAM soon if all applications starts to go that way...
Thunderbird has browser engine to display html emails anyway. And probably most of Thunderbird's code is already in javascript, but using XUL instead of HTML DOM.
Re: Proposal to start a new implementation of Thunderbird based on web technologies
#17Hmm, I thought Mozilla had pulled financial support from Thunderbird? This would be an exciting new chapter for the product, but the article doesn't address whether it makes financial sense for Mozilla to invest this much in Thunderbird's future. For most of the last three years I've worked on Nylas Mail ( https://github.com/Nylas/Nylas-mail ), and it hit 2.0 yesterday with Mac/Win/Linux support. It's entirely open s…
> Heck, maybe they could just skin Nylas Mail and call it Thunderbird ;-)
Skin it or Fork and Skin ;)
Re: Proposal to start a new implementation of Thunderbird based on web technologies
#18Hmm, I thought Mozilla had pulled financial support from Thunderbird? This would be an exciting new chapter for the product, but the article doesn't address whether it makes financial sense for Mozilla to invest this much in Thunderbird's future. For most of the last three years I've worked on Nylas Mail ( https://github.com/Nylas/Nylas-mail ), and it hit 2.0 yesterday with Mac/Win/Linux support. It's entirely open s…
I suppose they want to use their own UI and maybe link to some services or tools from Mozilla. But they should contact you to unite their effort with your: development time reduced from 3 years to 3 months (that is an approximation)...
Re: Proposal to start a new implementation of Thunderbird based on web technologies
#19Mozilla just doesn't get the message.... We don't want your features, fixes, refreshes, rebranding, or re-imagining. We want a browser that is fast, stable, secure, minimal, and that DOES NOT FIGHT US. Let me load my old SSL certs (a warning is fine). Let me keep my preferences (why does https:// disappear from my address bar every update, and my search bar keep switching back to case sensitive). Stop making your pro…
Well, the web is evolving. If you're a sysadmin and you test everything in an ancient version of Firefox that doesn't display SSL errors, you're not getting an accurate picture of what the product's users will see. The latest browsers might entirely block people from visiting your site, display a huge warning, etc. and you wouldn't know. Maybe being a sysadmin requires getting the fixes, refreshes, rebranding as they…
No no no you missed what I am saying. I use horrible hardware appliances with built in md5 ssl certs for remote administration. I am not a web developer. I need to be able to access them to secure them and to work on hardware problems. This isn't even on the internet, this is on a local lan serving a small business. We're not going to buy new hardware because my browser updated, so I'm stuck having to boot up a mint 7 livecd vm to run firefox 4 every now and then. It's horrible.
Re: Proposal to start a new implementation of Thunderbird based on web technologies
#20Hmm, I thought Mozilla had pulled financial support from Thunderbird? This would be an exciting new chapter for the product, but the article doesn't address whether it makes financial sense for Mozilla to invest this much in Thunderbird's future. For most of the last three years I've worked on Nylas Mail ( https://github.com/Nylas/Nylas-mail ), and it hit 2.0 yesterday with Mac/Win/Linux support. It's entirely open s…
Is the "open source" label still comically misleading? [0]
I tried it out, didn't read the fine print, filed an issue, never looked at it again.
Because "It keeps user data local and private." is kind of one of the main benefits.