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Re: Ask YC: startup or traditional work experience?

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I asked some managers this once, and they all said that startup experience was at least as good as big co experience. It's in an essay I wrote; I forget which.

"Hiring is obsolete" is the one.

I remember because I translated it a while ago to Portuguese.

http://lullis.infogami.com/pg/hiring

Re: Ask YC: startup or traditional work experience?

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I won't say it's "as good as big co experience" (pg), but it is valuable. A lot of how someone interprets your year depends on who's looking at your resume (they're not obsolete, no matter what anyone says). If on one hand you're applying to JP Morgan, there's a chance a hiring manager might not like the fact that your history isn't driven by credentialed companies. On the other, if you're applying to a Valley firm--another startup or someone like Google or Yahoo, they're likely to think your experience was valuable and showed initiative and guts.

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Depending on the company, I would simply adapt the resume to reflect what you think they want to hear.

For the larger (possibly non-technical) companies, I would list the experiences and qualifications relating only to the directly applicable work you did (Developed this product, worked with that other thing, etc...). I would drop the title of "founder" and substitute it with "Lead Developer" or something similar.

For either a smaller company (where you may be expected to wear multiple hats) or a technological company (Google), I would put that "Founder" title right up there where it can be seen.

In the end, the resume is for getting an interview. There is nothing wrong with adapting it to reflect what the companies want to hear, provided that there is no stretch of the truth.

Re: Ask YC: startup or traditional work experience?

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I always viewed someone with startup experience as having better management potential and as someone likely to be able to better see the "big picture." Whereas someone with more low-level big company experience as being more of a "good employee." With that in mind, you can see that the type of job in question will determine whether that experience is a positive or negative.

Re: Ask YC: startup or traditional work experience?

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Startup hiring manager: big positive

BigCo hiring manager: mild negative

People who hire generally look for the candidate that "fits" overall before passing the candidate on to more specific people. At a startup that's probably a bigger issue than at a large company, just because the culture is more malleable.

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post #15

Startup hiring manager: big positive BigCo hiring manager: mild negative People who hire generally look for the candidate that "fits" overall before passing the candidate on to more specific people. At a startup that's probably a bigger issue than at a large company, just because the culture is more malleable.

Strong disagree. I work at one of the biggest companies. I help out with hiring. Startups are a plus, and it's not just me.

We, like everyone else, look for evidence that you've done stuff. In a startup, what you've done is obvious.

Re: Ask YC: startup or traditional work experience?

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post #9

I have an entry about a startup I co-founded that failed on my resume. I also explicitly put in the description: "I learned a lot...from the business' failure." I've been doing a lot of interviews lately, and most people are impressed that 1) I tried to start a company at all and 2) that I'm willing to admit that it failed I would definitely keep it on there, as long as it was a good learning experience for you.

I think this pretty well defines it. Even if it failed, it shows you had the confidence enough in your own ability to try. If you admit it failed, it shows that you're humble enough to admit when something went wrong without shifting blame.

I figure running a startup is like getting your MBA... but on crack.

Re: Ask YC: startup or traditional work experience?

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post #15

Startup hiring manager: big positive BigCo hiring manager: mild negative People who hire generally look for the candidate that "fits" overall before passing the candidate on to more specific people. At a startup that's probably a bigger issue than at a large company, just because the culture is more malleable.

Strong disagree. I work at one of the biggest companies. I help out with hiring. Startups are a plus, and it's not just me. We, like everyone else, look for evidence that you've done stuff. In a startup, what you've done is obvious.

It is? That hasn't been my experience. In my job hunt, and I'll admit that I'm well away from the center of things, my last position (co-founder of digg) is a distinct negative.

Most hiring managers haven't heard of it, question why I'm not mentioned more prominently, etc, worry that I will leave for some other pie-in-the-sky startup. The only interest I get is from early stage startups.

But again, it's all about fit. If you're 22 and messing with startups it looks like youthful experimentation. If you're 45 and messing with startups you get passed over.

Re: Ask YC: startup or traditional work experience?

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Strong disagree. I work at one of the biggest companies. I help out with hiring. Startups are a plus, and it's not just me. We, like everyone else, look for evidence that you've done stuff. In a startup, what you've done is obvious.

It is? That hasn't been my experience. In my job hunt, and I'll admit that I'm well away from the center of things, my last position (co-founder of digg) is a distinct negative. Most hiring managers haven't heard of it, question why I'm not mentioned more prominently, etc, worry that I will leave for some other pie-in-the-sky startup. The only interest I get is from early stage startups. But again, it's all about fit…

Ah, I bet that last point is key. I know nothing about how hiring works for senior positions.

One way or another, I hope you find a job you love.

Re: Ask YC: startup or traditional work experience?

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is? That hasn't been my experience. In my job hunt, and I'll admit that I'm well away from the center of things, my last position (co-founder of digg) is a distinct negative. Most hiring managers haven't heard of it, question why I'm not mentioned more prominently, etc, worry that I will leave for some other pie-in-the-sky startup. The only interest I get is from early stage startups. But again, it's all about fit…

Ah, I bet that last point is key. I know nothing about how hiring works for senior positions. One way or another, I hope you find a job you love.

This is the under-publicized reason why people do startups - because they can't find an appropriate job.

I was reading an article a while back about "older" entrepreneurs (mostly successful ones). Almost every one of them said their main motivation was lack of career opportunities.

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