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Does irrationality fuel innovation?

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Re: Does irrationality fuel innovation?

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"...sustained dissonance would probably cause burnout." Or religion.

Or lack thereof.

Religion is the result of changing the world to fit your beliefs. Lack of religion is the result of changing your beliefs to fit the world. Cognitive dissonance can be resolved in one of two ways.

Re: Does irrationality fuel innovation?

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Yes but it also fuels failure. The lines that separate what we know is possible, what is actually possible but we don't know it and what isn’t at all— are very very fine. Fools often rush in and are successful because they didn't know they shouldn’t have been able to do something. But more often than not, I think they’re met with disaster simply because the skillset they lack is the same one they need to be successfu…

Trying fuels failure, but not trying guarantees it.

Re: Does irrationality fuel innovation?

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Innovation tends to have many positive externalities. Whoever invents a widget probably only captures a tiny slice of the overall value it delivers to society.

Therefore, a particular level of investment can simultaneously be irrational from the perspective of an individual but rational from the perspective of society.

Overall, I'm not sure if this is a debate with an answer that will help people move forward. Everyone probably agrees that have accurate beliefs is good, all else equal. And everyone probably agrees that living a good life doesn't require you to maximize your belief accuracy at the expense of all else.

Maybe the central idea nugget is that a high degree of self-doubt will improve belief accuracy but hurt other aspects of your life, such as speed of idea generation or speed of work output. I suppose that's a trade off that we all must navigate, consciously or otherwise.

Re: Does irrationality fuel innovation?

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or lack thereof.

Our innate sense of justice, of how things ought to be, clashes with how things are. Thus we have divine retribution. We ought not die, but we do, so after we die we live supernaturally. Dissonance can give way to religion, generally speaking.

there's been a lot of religion that doesn't fit with what you're saying, norse mythology for instance.

Re: Does irrationality fuel innovation?

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Creativity and rationality are conventionally seen to be at odds than they actually are. But often something creative and innovative to one person is boring and logical to another, particularly when the former is not versed in the latter's domain.

For example, many people versed in networking were using the early internet to make voice communications circumventing long distance telecom bills. It just seems obvious to them then (and many more people now) that if you can send data through the internet, why not encode audio in that data?

Re: Does irrationality fuel innovation?

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One of the reasons radicals have amassed so much power in the middle east is because they were the only ones willing to stand up to the west as the more reasonable people realized they couldn't do anything.

A bit of craziness can create very unexpected results, with a destabalization wave having many orders of effects. The strong become weak, the weak strong, the poor rich, the stupid "smart".

So much of the status quo relies on people willing to play games. The stability of a game is its degree of belief. That is, it is sustained by cooperative delusion.

Another example is that salaries are maintained by collective willing agreement on what is fair. A union, if it amasses enough believers can disrupt this game.

Every game you tear down brings you closer to reality and raw possibility. Often it is necessary because of the limited attention for games. Of course, touching reality for the self is insanely hard, nevermind established institutions. Single individuals however can amass a following, seedingargwr waves of energy tha re-evaluate the status quo, swapping what is profane and sacred.

This wave of energy is what gives us temporary clarity on reality. Like earthquakes destroying a city, reminding us that the universe doesn't particularly care about our games.

One of the biggest games that is currently unravelling is the West as a beacon of innovation and morality. The response to 9/11 was exactly what terrorists wanted. And things like brexit and trump don't particularly help. From a GDP perspectice, each citizen in the US is worth many times a citizen from China or India, but this is only the result of a long historical game that impoverished these former world powers.

The natural order of things is that each human provides the same value, the reason this doesnt happen is due to resource flown restriction along lines of military strength.

Re: Does irrationality fuel innovation?

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Yes but it also fuels failure. The lines that separate what we know is possible, what is actually possible but we don't know it and what isn’t at all— are very very fine. Fools often rush in and are successful because they didn't know they shouldn’t have been able to do something. But more often than not, I think they’re met with disaster simply because the skillset they lack is the same one they need to be successfu…

"When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong."

https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke's_three_laws (The first of his three laws, the third of which is the magic-tech one)

Re: Does irrationality fuel innovation?

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"How do you innovate? First, try to get in trouble. Innovation sparks from initial situations of necessity, in ways that go far beyond the satisfaction of such necessity. The excess energy released from overreaction to setbacks is what innovates!Moderns try today to create inventions from situations of comfort, safety, and predictability instead of accepting the notion that “necessity really is the mother of invention.”"

https://sivers.org/book/Antifragile

More irrationality -> more trouble -> more innovation ?

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