Oculus Co-Founder and Rift Creator Palmer Luckey Departs Facebook • Hacker News Board

Re: Oculus Co-Founder and Rift Creator Palmer Luckey Departs Facebook

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Post by devopsproject » Thu, Mar 30, 2017, 9:44 PM UTC

sahara wrote: post #8

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Sorry, don't feel sorry for the guy worth however many millions. He could have easily avoided all the negative stuff by just not getting involved. edit: Thiel is one of the most prominent tech guys to support Trump. Zuckerberg defended him when people started calling for him to be removed. The difference is that Luckey 1. was the face of the company 2. had issues with the community before any of the trump stuff came…

You're right, he could have continued with his work had he simply avoided ever giving anyone the impression he held any beliefs which varied from THE ORTHODOXY . But why should that have been required of him?

He has the freedom to do what he wants. And others have the freedom to judge him for doing so.

Going against the grain has, and will always be a dangerous proposition and no amount of thought policing will change that.

Re: Oculus Co-Founder and Rift Creator Palmer Luckey Departs Facebook

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Post by sahara » Thu, Mar 30, 2017, 9:44 PM UTC

devopsproject wrote: post #9

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VR is impressive tech, but is Luckey a time traveler now? He went back to 2008, publicly supported and voted for Ron Paul to give himself plausible deniability for his future support of Trump? (EDIT: I'm leaving this error here, but Bob Barr was the Libertarian party candidate in 2008, and Palmer wasn't yet voting age. He would have needed to time travel to 2012 and vote for Gary Johnson, I suppose.) Are you unwillin…

> Are you unwilling to even consider the possibility that Palmer is actually a libertarian No. He may be a libertarian. If I told you I was a democrat and then donated to republican groups, what would you call me? If my girlfriend publicity supported republicans? At some point you really have to start looking at actions and not words. My initial rebuke to your argument is simple: Words are extremely cheap. He claims…

No one is beyond reproach. But it would be nice if those reproachments were saved for people's actual words and actions rather than a laundry list of prejudices and assumptions extrapolated from a single data point. It would be even nicer if we could agree that disapproval of one or more of someone's political opinions doesn't require that they be made UNTOUCHABLE and banished.

If you said you were a Democrat, and voted for Democrats, but dated a vocal Republican, and donated to non-profits who were doing work you believed would do some good in the world regardless of whether they passed ideological purity tests, I'd call you a breath of fresh air.

I'm not sure if anyone like that exists anymore.

Re: Oculus Co-Founder and Rift Creator Palmer Luckey Departs Facebook

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Post by sahara » Thu, Mar 30, 2017, 9:53 PM UTC

metamet wrote: post #10

sahara wrote: post #8

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You're right, he could have continued with his work had he simply avoided ever giving anyone the impression he held any beliefs which varied from THE ORTHODOXY . But why should that have been required of him?

> But why should that have been required of him? It's not, and now he's dealing with the side effects of the choice he made.

Oh come the fuck on, if that's the position you're going to take at least own up to it.

I asked why his continued employment ought to be predicated on never giving the impression that he holds beliefs that people like you find offensive.

You say "It's not." But it obviously was. We can all see that it was, that's what TFA (as well as all the other press about Lucky in the last 12 months) is about: His perceived beliefs, how unacceptable they are to you, and whether or not he ought to be cast out as a consequence.

What you meant to say was "He should have known better than to give the impression that he believes things that I, and people like me, disapprove of."

Re: Oculus Co-Founder and Rift Creator Palmer Luckey Departs Facebook

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Post by devopsproject » Thu, Mar 30, 2017, 9:55 PM UTC

sahara wrote: post #12

devopsproject wrote: post #9

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> Are you unwilling to even consider the possibility that Palmer is actually a libertarian No. He may be a libertarian. If I told you I was a democrat and then donated to republican groups, what would you call me? If my girlfriend publicity supported republicans? At some point you really have to start looking at actions and not words. My initial rebuke to your argument is simple: Words are extremely cheap. He claims…

No one is beyond reproach. But it would be nice if those reproachments were saved for people's actual words and actions rather than a laundry list of prejudices and assumptions extrapolated from a single data point. It would be even nicer if we could agree that disapproval of one or more of someone's political opinions doesn't require that they be made UNTOUCHABLE and banished. If you said you were a Democrat, and vo…

> people's actual words and actions

* He said he used a pro trump account and then said he didn't. Both can't be true so we know he is a liar\lying about this incident.

* He donated money to a pro trump org

* His girlfriend is\was a trump supporter

* His 'like'ing pattern seems to fall in line with what a Trump supporter may do

Maybe he is a libertarian now. Maybe not. It is very difficult to tell because he seems to have an issue with honesty and his actions are not aligning with his words.

Re: Oculus Co-Founder and Rift Creator Palmer Luckey Departs Facebook

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Post by sahara » Thu, Mar 30, 2017, 10:01 PM UTC

devopsproject wrote: post #11

sahara wrote: post #8

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You're right, he could have continued with his work had he simply avoided ever giving anyone the impression he held any beliefs which varied from THE ORTHODOXY . But why should that have been required of him?

He has the freedom to do what he wants. And others have the freedom to judge him for doing so. Going against the grain has, and will always be a dangerous proposition and no amount of thought policing will change that.

Being a weird is far more dangerous than being a normal. We agree.

Being gay is far more dangerous than being straight.

Being Muslim in a majority Christian or Hindu society is far more dangerous than being a adherent of the prevailing religion.

We could list examples all day, but it's a plainly obvious phenomenon. What I want to know is why so many people seem to act as if there's inherent moral superiority in being in the majority. There isn't.

(Also, cute bit of doublespeak characterizing a challenge to orthodoxy as "thought policing".)

Re: Oculus Co-Founder and Rift Creator Palmer Luckey Departs Facebook

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Post by devopsproject » Thu, Mar 30, 2017, 10:10 PM UTC

sahara wrote: post #15

devopsproject wrote: post #11

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He has the freedom to do what he wants. And others have the freedom to judge him for doing so. Going against the grain has, and will always be a dangerous proposition and no amount of thought policing will change that.

Being a weird is far more dangerous than being a normal. We agree. Being gay is far more dangerous than being straight. Being Muslim in a majority Christian or Hindu society is far more dangerous than being a adherent of the prevailing religion. We could list examples all day, but it's a plainly obvious phenomenon. What I want to know is why so many people seem to act as if there's inherent moral superiority in being…

Based on some of the things Trump has said about mexicans, muslims, women, etc, I'm finding it really hard to believe you don't understand why people would be offended by his supporters. If I told you all women are property and should be subservient to men, would you really want to have an honest conversation with me? Are we really at a point where "I grab them by the pussy" is something that is up for debate?

Re: Oculus Co-Founder and Rift Creator Palmer Luckey Departs Facebook

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Mar 30, 2017, 10:32 PM UTC

devopsproject wrote: post #16

sahara wrote: post #15

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Being a weird is far more dangerous than being a normal. We agree. Being gay is far more dangerous than being straight. Being Muslim in a majority Christian or Hindu society is far more dangerous than being a adherent of the prevailing religion. We could list examples all day, but it's a plainly obvious phenomenon. What I want to know is why so many people seem to act as if there's inherent moral superiority in being…

Based on some of the things Trump has said about mexicans, muslims, women, etc, I'm finding it really hard to believe you don't understand why people would be offended by his supporters. If I told you all women are property and should be subservient to men, would you really want to have an honest conversation with me? Are we really at a point where "I grab them by the pussy" is something that is up for debate?

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